Hey Richie, You just don't get it do you, I don't know what you have against Mel, but you are giving out wrong information, you CAN NOT get a Moose Pump without going through Mel, and there is no $200.00 extra charge,..and NO politics were involved, simply misrepresentation, and personal attacks.

So In case you missed it,... here again is my previous post.

Take your time,.. read it carefully,... and if there are any question's raise feel free to ask,..

 

I am not running one as yet. I'm still getting My ducks in a row for some work. My plan is ported heads, Torque Cam From Typ4, Matched inj's, Moose Pump, Spearco 14"X38"X4" IC.

I've got the Heads, Brand New Cam, Inj's, IC, and Gasket Kit all sitting on the shelf. I'm still searching for the best IC plumbing options.
The economy, and slow work load,($$) is the only thing holding Me up on the Moose Pump.

I've done a LOT of research on these mods. I believe the Moose Pump is the best option for any modded IDI. Go read the reviews of peeps running them.

The Moose Pump took over a year of R&D. Done by MEL, and His Builder, at HIS expense. The mods are NOT out there for anyone to just copy. They do machine work to the timing circuits inside the pump, and precisely calibrate it for Turbo Duty.
It's a lot more work than most shops will even consider. There's just not enough demand for them to do it. Even if they did some machine work for You, it'd be hit and miss weather it would actually improve anything. They just haven't done the R&D to get the specs right, where Mel HAS done the R&D already.

Another thing, I hear of shops offering HOT Pumps all of the time. Most of Their work is ONE THING, a coupla turns of the fuel trim. Not ideal unless Your a 16 YO looking for a smoke machine.

 

All of this sounds great and has peaked my interest. It sounds like you have done some homework, so maybe you can answer a question I have ask before. Can tou run the intercooler and keep the factory air.
In your build are you going to cut your pistons, and what kind of numbers are you expecting to get and how is this going to affect mileage,possibly the same.
last question will you lose any low end and what rpm's are you shooting for for peak numbers.

 

I will keep the factory air. The smaller, more efficient IC will only cover about 1/3 of the rad/condenser. I live in Northern Mn. So AC is not always necessary. And when it is, it's more for dehumidifying, than cooling.

I'm not doing anything with the pistons at this time. My rig has just over 100K miles. I've run a couple of doses of Auto RX thru her, and I'm pretty sure the rings are OK. I can't get a decent compression reading because I'm almost positive that I have a couple of bad valves. Slight woofing out of the intake.

I'm really not concerned with numbers, I just need a decent rig that'll get good mileage while traveling 60-80 MPH while loaded with 1000-1800 lbs. From My research, the Moose Pump has no effect on fuel mileage, positive, or negative, as long as You keep Your foot out of it.

The Torque Cam that Type4 supplies, and the Moose Pump should help get higher boost, lower in the RPM range.
What I'm looking for is around 7-10 LBs @ 1200-1500 RPM. Right in the sweet spot for cruising the interstate.(with the ZF5 & 3.55 R&P) That should give a perfect blend of available power, and very good economy.

I forgot to mention Head Studs.

I need about another $1200-1500 and I'll jump into Her. I've got the block bolted to the stand, and HOPE to get 'er done by mid summer.

 

i didn't know there was an aftermarket cam for the IDI.
is this something that you will have specifically built for you,or is this readily available?
could you provide more info on duration/lift/lobe separation etc,etc,and where to purchase please?

 

PM Typefour (Russ) and he'll give you all the info.

 

This is another 'Top Secret' piece.

The cam grinder developed the cam in the 80's for left coast loggers in search of a little more low RPM torque.

Typ4 has been the Middle Man for them, as they don't deal retail.

 

Russ is Type4 on OB and Typefour here, just to clarify.

 

Good catch. I wasn't really thinking about spelling/different handles. It can be important when searching/pm'n.

typ4 over @ OBN

 

I have a lot of contacts in the high perf industries buss there are only a hand full of cam grinders in this country so this one will be simple for me. And i cant stand, its a secret, Im the middle man, it must go threw me.... When you here that, hang on to your wallet cause it will be emptied. The guy that sells these secret cams also sells and has the proclaimed connection with ARP for the 7.3 head studs so i emailed him for a quote and when he gave it to me I almost fell of the chair same line of bs, the dont have head studs for the 7.3 but for me bla bla bla so he quotes 385.00 for the studs. And then forgets and sends me another email that says I forgot include another 5.00 for the paypal charge... So for me that did it I made a couple of call to ARP and Got the 7.3 studs with nuts, washers and lube for 297.00 which buy the way is available to all call ARP and ask for a nice girl named Cammi. So know I set my sights on the secret cam grinder and this will be easy a couple of days and he will be a secret no more and im sure available to all and again im sure at a huge savings......

Remeber one thing in this Life, the phrase must go threw me only pertains to Jesus Christ, when he said no one gets to the father but threw me... Know that goes threw me phrase ill accept and cant do anything about. But all other phrase like that, from people selling you somthing ,translates to make me money for finding!!! again finding!!!! a product and passing it along to you. AND I HATE THAT..... If your like me you work Hard for your money and they should to

 

so you guys are willing to shell out $ for something with no specs and proof of any facts in moose pumps and cams?
im sorry,but i dont see my money going anywhere without the specs and proof of hp/trq numbers over stock.clearly shown and proven via dyno #'s.
i don't understand how you guys are willing to pay for something "top secret" ?
to me top secret = no proof of gains and a waste of $.
im ALL ears though.
if you need to private message someone to find out such info,then i don't see sales doing very well either.
help me understand whats going on here please? it sounds very suspicious to me.

(i do not share jsnap's view on trying to screw the hard working business men however.id just like to understand some more things is all.iv no intrests in "who" sells what.id just like to know what "it" is lol.)

i sent Typefour here a pm.however based on your guys info,it doesn't sound like im going to receive the type of response im after.but we'll see.

 

My edit had nothing to do with politics, rule violation and posting contact info that may or may not have been with their permission is why I edited the post.

I draw a parallel with DPS, the only other source for a true hot IP to my knowledge.

Mel asks for 400 up front.
DPS asks for 450 for their turbo calibration if a 93 or 94 core is used, more if one of the others is used and call for the High Performance pump price.

I know both sources have done considerable R&D to come up with the High Performance versions.
Looks like the prices are close.
Recouping the R&D costs by either source would not be robbery, just a cost of making the product available.

If he has 1000 hours in R&D, at 10 dollars an hour that means 10,000 dollars in R&D.
Add in the parts, say another 5000 dollars just guessing if they only messed up a couple pumps and parts.

Even if Mel is charging 200 over the cost of reworking the pump, 75 pumps before he breaks even and makes a dollar.

No pump shop in the world charges 10 dollars an hour for their work today, so my guess is he has much more invested than 15,000 dollars and may never break even no matter what he charges.

I don't know Mel, I don't know the pump shop.

I do have my own business, and I know how hard it is to recover business expenses not directly related to the product you offer.

If it weren't for Mel, there would be no Moose pump.
So would it be right to cut Mel out of the loop after his time and money went into the Moose pump?

Typefour, same thing with the cam.

 

well said.

 

I just mentioned to PM Russ because that's the easiest way to do it and not have a bunch of posts asking the same questions. You can direct it to his previous post or even start a new thread asking him all the questions you want. Or go to OB and check the threads there and, if you don't find the answer you need, ask them.

I think when the cam was called "secret" with quotes, it was done with tongue-in-cheek to rile the OP, which apparantly it has. Don't know who put the burr in his britches, but it seems to be in there pretty deep!

 

sorry, but just to interject....forget about pricing and everything else for a moment...I think everyone will agree that we are willing to pay more for a product if there is a quality reputation to stand behind it....go reasearch the moose pump and typ4's stuff....you will find pages of praise, and no complaints....and for the few hicups they stood behind their stuff to everyones satisfaction.

you will also discover how and why guys like mel and russ started providing parts with their service in the begining.

no affiliation with any party involved, but when one guy is all about price, and others rave the service provided by active members of the IDI community with just a little reasearch it becomes clear where they fly-by-night sales pitch is gonna be



and Dave...YOU ROCK