someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't understand what y'all are so worked up about

https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/...06_default.asp




so, per the definition of GCWR
My truck is a Supercrew, 4x4, 5.4 engine, 3.73 gears, 18" rims, 138.5" wheelbase...which allows me 15,000 lbs GCWR, and a max trailer capacity of 8,700 lbs (9,200 - the 500 lbs since I have 18" rims)

Truck weight: 6,000 lbs (rough numbers)
AVG Trailer Weight + Load: 7,000 lbs (car trailer + 4 door car)
5 people @ 200 lbs each: 1,000 lbs
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= 14,000 lbs of loading using rough #'s

which would still give another 1,000 lbs of cargo capacity in the bed




maybe I'm reading this wrongly, but it seems I still have quite a bit of GCWR capacity left...and that is for my 2006 model. The 09's have a bit more

 

and the 09's version of my truck has 16,900 GCWR for 5.5' bed, and 17,000 for the 6.5' bed


that is alot of weight capacity left over...2,000 lbs + using the variables I did in my prior post

 

Yes you are reading this wrong. IF you get checked the will care bout GVW and max axle weight. So if your GVW is 7,200 and your truck weighs 6,200 you can add 1,000lbs encompasing passengers, tounge weight, payload in box etc...

 

This is what we are trying to figure out Tylus. The figures just dont add up. dealers, ford, internet and other infomation shows that these trucks should be able to tow the amounts shown but payload seems far to low. As an example my truck with max trailer tow only has payload of 900lbs but it says i can tow 11100 pounds. Thats 200lbs above the payload with 10% tongue weight. You would be about 400lb over with the driver. Same goes for my model without make tow. Payload is 9600lb but payload is only 900lb. The figures seem off.

 

Hey Tylus:

One question for ya....what is the payload listed on your sticker in your left door jamb? Look at the first page of this thread and note that we have an '09 sticker giving a 900 lb capacity including occupants and cargo...and it seems pretty clear that tongue weight is to be included in that 900 lbs.

So what's an '06 say on the payload sticker on the door jamb?

George

 

iPhone pic for you guys

1387 lbs with 275/65/18 LT tires at 40 psi



my truck wieghs in right at about 6,000 lbs...so I have roughly 1,200 lbs of GVW capacity left, and the sticker above says I have about 1400 lbs of capacity total

my GVW is 7,200 lbs
front axle - 3750
rear axle- 3850



btw, my sticker is between the 2 doors, not on the drivers door

 

what does that sticker say for the trucks with 17" rims? and nothing else different (Screw, 3.73, 5.4)

 

My truck's payload is 1408. It is a 5.5' bed.

 

Yeah your sticker is within about 100lbs of it's quoted amount. Mines 600lbs from it's quoted amount lol

Plus i know for a fact that my truck dont weight 500lbs more than yours. Thats a lot of weight difference.

 

I agree. Why would 1 ft. of bed length be that much difference?

 

It wouldnt. I loaded up some 80lb bags of dust into the bed and i can tell you now that 500lb worth of them was some serious weight. That would be a lot of steel.

 

OK this is all from 09 ford towing guide:

Payload is the combined maximum allowable weight of cargo and passengers that the truck is designed to carry. It is the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating minus the Base Curb Weight.

The 900lbs must be a mistake as having 20" wheels won't impact this calculation. 7,200 gvwr - 1,500lbs payload = curb weight of @ 5,700 lbs which as I recall is correct as per definition

Base Curb Weight is the weight of the vehicle including a full tank of
fuel and all standard equipment. It does not include passengers, cargo or
any optional equipment.

Cargo Weight includes all weight added to the Base Curb Weight, including cargo and optional equipment (check with your sales consultant). When towing, trailer tongue load or king pin weight is also part of the Cargo Weight.

Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) is the Base Curb Weight plus actual
Cargo Weight plus passengers. It is important to remember that GVW
is not a limit or specification – it is the actual weight that is obtained
when the fully loaded vehicle is driven onto a scale.
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) is the maximum allowable
weight of the fully loaded vehicle (including passengers and cargo).
This number – along with other weight limits, as well as tire, rim
size and inflation pressure data – is shown on the vehicle’s Safety
Compliance Certification Label, located on the left front door lock facing
or the door latch post pillar (see facing page). The GVW must never
exceed the GVWR.
Gross Axle Weight (GAW) is the total weight placed on each axle
(front and rear). To determine the Gross Axle Weights for your vehicle
and trailer combination, take your loaded vehicle and trailer to a scale.
With the trailer attached, place the front wheels of the vehicle on the
scale to get the front GAW. For rear GAW, weigh the towing vehicle
with trailer attached, but with just the four wheels of the vehicle on the
scale. Subtracting front GAW from that amount gives you rear GAW.
Gross Axle Weight Rating (GAWR) is the maximum weight to be
carried by a single axle (front or rear). These numbers also are shown
on the Safety Compliance Certification Label. The total load on each
axle must never exceed its GAWR.


Here is the kicker @ max trailer weight rating:
Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight (as shown in the Trailer Towing
Selector charts pages 17-25) is the highest possible weight of a fully
loaded trailer the vehicle can tow, based on a minimum-towing vehicle
GVW. It assumes a towing vehicle with any mandatory options, no cargo, tongue load of 10-15% (conventional trailer) or king pin weight of
15-25% (fifth-wheel trailer), and driver only (150 lbs.).

 

Didja happen to read the small print on the second page of the Trailer Towing Selector

Note 1: Reduce GCWR and maximum trailer weight by 500 lbs on models with 18" and 20" wheels.

Also says NOT to excede GAWR when combining payload and trailer tongue weight

 

Well... yes. The subject of this thread is "payload". The text does not state to decrease "payload" by 500 lbs.

FWIW, I emailed Matt OLeary to see if he can have someone join the thread and clear up the open questions. He's responded to my emails previously, so I am hopeful he will do so on this topic.

Tim

 

That would be cool to have someone come on here and explain to use this issue. Im sure they are trying to figure this out for their self lol