Camaro
Cargo Master
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From: Central NY
I took the V6 Camaro for a test drive (my buddy WAS getting ready to buy it) and the sound, or lack thereof, turned me off immediately. add to that, HUGE blind spots, horrible design from a safety perspective.
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From: Rhode Island
ya, i went to the dealer as soon as i heard they had one, just had to see it. i spent time wondering how wacked to **** the designers heads must be to think this is a nice car, it is way to ugly to ever own or drive and as if the outside aint bad enough the interior tops it, way ugly interior... when something is this bad it dont matter if it makes 800hp, that aint everything. i'll just buy a reguler gt stang and throw on a charger and exoust. the camaro is limited by that junk irs rear so ford will just build a quicker stang, not a hard job for them.. hope the new one dies like the last one, then maybe they can burry this dusty coffin...
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From: Sheridan/W Laffayette, IN
ya, i went to the dealer as soon as i heard they had one, just had to see it. i spent time wondering how wacked to **** the designers heads must be to think this is a nice car, it is way to ugly to ever own or drive and as if the outside aint bad enough the interior tops it, way ugly interior... when something is this bad it dont matter if it makes 800hp, that aint everything. i'll just buy a reguler gt stang and throw on a charger and exoust. the camaro is limited by that junk irs rear so ford will just build a quicker stang, not a hard job for them.. hope the new one dies like the last one, then maybe they can burry this dusty coffin...
They think the new Camaro is horrible both in design and performance.
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From: Almost Heaven
I have been paying attention to the new Camaro, like most of America, and I simply think it is ugly as sin. It looks like a horrible cross between the Mustang and Challenger. It, imo, looks like one of the ugliest cars ever to hit production, along with cars such as the Nissan Cube and Pontiac Aztek. I also think that after all the hype is gone, sales will drop, along with the Challenger, really bad. They just aren't the cars to release right now in the current state we are all in. Plus the fact that the Mustang is still KING OF THE PONIES!!!!
Whatchall think?
Whatchall think?
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From: nebraska
The only reason the Camaro was made was the sucess off Fords newer Mustang. I just wonder how it will sell or has sold. I think if GM would have done the Camaro right from day one it would have much more successful. Ford has made the Mustang continously for 45 years.
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From: Rhode Island
GM can't keep up with current Camaro demand. Virtually every Camaro you you see on a dealership lot has already been paid for. They are just waiting to be delivered to the customer/picked up. For GM, the current Camaro has been a success.
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From: Cook Forest and Irwin PA
well, looks are subjective - just like ford went for the retro bullit look - and won, and dodge went for the retro challenger look - and won, chevy went for the 69rs look - and won (is winning, they have a year backlog of orders now as the plant, much like the vette plant is geared for low, profitable production)
lets see: will gm kill a car line that is MAKING Money?
and face it, as much as the mustang is nice the camaro is a technological marvel that makes the current mustang seem like a true 1969 in comparison (and the fact that the v6 is thriftier than any mustang made and faster than all 5.0gts ever made....)
personally I thought the mid-upper 70's body style was far more attractive - culminating in the 1980/1981 - but like I said, looks are subjective.
lets see: will gm kill a car line that is MAKING Money?
and face it, as much as the mustang is nice the camaro is a technological marvel that makes the current mustang seem like a true 1969 in comparison (and the fact that the v6 is thriftier than any mustang made and faster than all 5.0gts ever made....)
personally I thought the mid-upper 70's body style was far more attractive - culminating in the 1980/1981 - but like I said, looks are subjective.
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Tuned
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What a person thinks of the new Mustang/Challenger/Camaro is going to vary based on what they value.
My personal values are:
Based on my own personal value system, I give the 2005-2009 Mustang a "10", the 2008-2009 Challenger a "10", and the new Camaro a "4". I hate to say this, because I'm a Chevy guy.
Someone else with a different set of values would of course score it entirely differently. That's OK with me... the nice thing about opinions is that everybody has one.
Peace,
-DV
My personal values are:
- Meeting some minimum threshold for price/performance/handling,
- Beyond that, styling. Specifically, I value styling that remains true to the spirit of the original car.
Based on my own personal value system, I give the 2005-2009 Mustang a "10", the 2008-2009 Challenger a "10", and the new Camaro a "4". I hate to say this, because I'm a Chevy guy.
Someone else with a different set of values would of course score it entirely differently. That's OK with me... the nice thing about opinions is that everybody has one.
Peace,
-DV
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From: SW Virginia
Well DV, I'd have to agree with your personal value system. Ford and Dodge hit one out of the ballpark with the Mustang and the Challenger. I think GM kind of dropped the ball on the Camaro though. I'm glad to see them resurrect the name but hoped for more out of the car. Now, if Pontiac weren't going away, I would love to see them come out with a Trans Am.
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Well DV, I'd have to agree with your personal value system. Ford and Dodge hit one out of the ballpark with the Mustang and the Challenger. I think GM kind of dropped the ball on the Camaro though. I'm glad to see them resurrect the name but hoped for more out of the car. Now, if Pontiac weren't going away, I would love to see them come out with a Trans Am.
But alas, it can never be. The Firebird has gone the way of the Barracuda and the 442.
-DV
Tuned
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PT Cruiser - Styling-8, Price/Performance/Handling-5
HHR - Styling-9, Price/Performance/Handling-5
Thunderbird - Styling-6, Price/Performance/Handling-3
Beetle - Styling-9, Price/Performance/Handling-8
SSR - Styling-7, Price/Performance/Handling-4
Prowler - Styling-7, Price/Performance/Handling -5
Now here's a thought. I heard rumors a couple of years ago (before all the bankruptcy talk) that GM was going to release a Chevy version of the Saturn Sky called a "Stingray". I think that is a great idea (but doubt it will happen). The Saturn Sky does a pretty good job of capturing the spirit of some of the early Vettes.
-DV
Cargo Master
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From: Central NY
Here are some other scores, based on my value system above:
PT Cruiser - Styling-8, Price/Performance/Handling-5
HHR - Styling-9, Price/Performance/Handling-5
Thunderbird - Styling-6, Price/Performance/Handling-3
Beetle - Styling-9, Price/Performance/Handling-8
SSR - Styling-7, Price/Performance/Handling-4
Prowler - Styling-7, Price/Performance/Handling -5
Now here's a thought. I heard rumors a couple of years ago (before all the bankruptcy talk) that GM was going to release a Chevy version of the Saturn Sky called a "Stingray". I think that is a great idea (but doubt it will happen). The Saturn Sky does a pretty good job of capturing the spirit of some of the early Vettes.
-DV
PT Cruiser - Styling-8, Price/Performance/Handling-5
HHR - Styling-9, Price/Performance/Handling-5
Thunderbird - Styling-6, Price/Performance/Handling-3
Beetle - Styling-9, Price/Performance/Handling-8
SSR - Styling-7, Price/Performance/Handling-4
Prowler - Styling-7, Price/Performance/Handling -5
Now here's a thought. I heard rumors a couple of years ago (before all the bankruptcy talk) that GM was going to release a Chevy version of the Saturn Sky called a "Stingray". I think that is a great idea (but doubt it will happen). The Saturn Sky does a pretty good job of capturing the spirit of some of the early Vettes.
-DV
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From: SW Virginia
Yeah, I had seen those renderings before or some like them. I would love either one of them more than the Camaro. The one thing that bugs me about the Mustang is that they still don't have a sunroof or the good old T-tops as an option. The glass roof is useless and I don't want a ragtop. I guess it still won't prevent me from buying a Mustang though in the long run. Just waiting around for the new 5.0 or equivalent to get put in them.