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The front of camaro looks ok, but the side view makes is just too bubbly and bunched up.
I love the new mustangs, I'm still undecided about the 2010 mustang as far as liking it more than the current, but I absolutely hated the generation before the 05's
The Challenger is a great looking car as well, and I love how people tout that there are 11K orders for the Camero, but look back at the Challenger, for a while they were backordered out for a good 6 months, now they have a huge surplus of them
As far as the solid axle thing, I am dang proud that the Stang still has a solid rear axle, they are a far superior design due to its simplicity and strength. Case in point, NASCAR still uses solid axles.
I love the new mustangs, I'm still undecided about the 2010 mustang as far as liking it more than the current, but I absolutely hated the generation before the 05's
The Challenger is a great looking car as well, and I love how people tout that there are 11K orders for the Camero, but look back at the Challenger, for a while they were backordered out for a good 6 months, now they have a huge surplus of them
As far as the solid axle thing, I am dang proud that the Stang still has a solid rear axle, they are a far superior design due to its simplicity and strength. Case in point, NASCAR still uses solid axles.
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You got that right...Ford knows what we do to the stangs ....Ididnt like to see the 302s go..... Lew
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Once again, more work would have to go into the IRS.....
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Just a conclusion I came to from actually being able to witness this first hand.
EDIT:
I was referencing 12-14 second cars....
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Holy crap You Guys, Ford designs an inferior pony car YOU CAN'T admit it.
The ZR1 can rip off 11.7 -1/4 mile times with IRS. WRX does a 12.5 with IFS AND IRS.
PLUS it handles better than a solid axle.
All of this talk, Oh Thank God Ford stuck with a solid axle is crap.
The ZR1 can rip off 11.7 -1/4 mile times with IRS. WRX does a 12.5 with IFS AND IRS.
PLUS it handles better than a solid axle.
All of this talk, Oh Thank God Ford stuck with a solid axle is crap.
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We are talking drag racing here..Let me know when the IRS ... Takes over...All the fast vettes at the track are straight axle... i wonder why 11.7... i want to see a 7.00 Holy crap.....How much does a ZR1 sale for... Compared to a 5.0 stang that runs 9.00...
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Holy crap You Guys, Ford designs an inferior pony car YOU CAN'T admit it.
The ZR1 can rip off 11.7 -1/4 mile times with IRS. WRX does a 12.5 with IFS AND IRS.
PLUS it handles better than a solid axle.
All of this talk, Oh Thank God Ford stuck with a solid axle is crap.
The ZR1 can rip off 11.7 -1/4 mile times with IRS. WRX does a 12.5 with IFS AND IRS.
PLUS it handles better than a solid axle.
All of this talk, Oh Thank God Ford stuck with a solid axle is crap.
The Mustang having a solid rear axle does not make the entire vehicle inferior as you made it sound. You can consider the solid rear axle inferior relative to an IRS, but that is obviously arguable as there's plenty of guys drag racing Mustangs that beg to differ.
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Holy crap You Guys, Ford designs an inferior pony car YOU CAN'T admit it.
The ZR1 can rip off 11.7 -1/4 mile times with IRS. WRX does a 12.5 with IFS AND IRS.
PLUS it handles better than a solid axle.
All of this talk, Oh Thank God Ford stuck with a solid axle is crap.
The ZR1 can rip off 11.7 -1/4 mile times with IRS. WRX does a 12.5 with IFS AND IRS.
PLUS it handles better than a solid axle.
All of this talk, Oh Thank God Ford stuck with a solid axle is crap.
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What forms of racing are there that use an IRS system? NASCAR, NHRA drag racing, IMCA dirt track racing, rock crawling, and mud bogging all use solid rear axles. So I believe that its a stretch to call solid axles inferior, they might be old, but they are tried and true and much more cost efficient.
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And the ZR1 does push 620 HP thru it's INDEPENDENT REAR SUSPENSION.
Saying that the solid axle might be old, but it's tried and true, sounds a little hypocritical. When everyone bashes GM's tried and true push rod engines.
Geeze I know it's a Ford forum, but Ford could have done a lot better. They just cheaped out on a few things.
The Camaro is going to out do the Mustang in a lot of categories, More HP, better handling, better fuel economy, but definitely not in blind followship.
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What forms of racing are there that use an IRS system? NASCAR, NHRA drag racing, IMCA dirt track racing, rock crawling, and mud bogging all use solid rear axles. So I believe that its a stretch to call solid axles inferior, they might be old, but they are tried and true and much more cost efficient.
Why is it that Ford Hypes the IRS on the Escape, but it's not good enough for their Pony Car?
Sometimes You guys needa loosen the Ford Blinders Your wearing, and admit that every thing Ford is NOT perfection.
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I dunno... F1, WRC, SCCA, etc. the New Nissan GT-R Uses IRS/IFS. Prolly the hottest, most anticipated street car ever in America. 480HP thru it's fully independent suspension.
Why is it that Ford Hypes the IRS on the Escape, but it's not good enough for their Pony Car?
Sometimes You guys needa loosen the Ford Blinders Your wearing, and admit that every thing Ford is NOT perfection.
Why is it that Ford Hypes the IRS on the Escape, but it's not good enough for their Pony Car?
Sometimes You guys needa loosen the Ford Blinders Your wearing, and admit that every thing Ford is NOT perfection.
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From: Duluth, Mn.
You're living in the wrong part of the country if You didn't see many Z28's
4,800,000 Camaros built, about 1/2 were specialty models. IE: above base model.
There are still a ton of them motoring around here. We have a great cruising/DR scene here in Duluth.
4,800,000 Camaros built, about 1/2 were specialty models. IE: above base model.
There are still a ton of them motoring around here. We have a great cruising/DR scene here in Duluth.