How does 480 against 380 sound. I think it sounds like chevy can't make a truck with EQUAL horse power to BEAT the lightning. Ford made the new Cobras the same horse power as the corvette guess what.................The cobra won. It is also $20,000+ more than the Cobra.

 

I think its bull_s**t that a junky chevy can even smoke the tires from a dead start lead alone at 25 mph.

 

>Well lets hope you don't race a Z28 in your mustange, cause
>that would be a joke. Have any of you ever heard of the
>Silverado SS that is coming out, with its normally aspirated
>395 horses. It was tested against the new lighting in
>motortrend, and won. As for heavy duty trucks, it is not
>comparrison. The HD would destroy any of your overhead cam,
>high reving, torqless, sissy trucks, and then tow their
>battered carcass back home. My Buddy has a new 2002
>lighting, with a pully kit, a chip, and a K@N. It is a
>badass truck, but I can't wait for the new silverado SS to
>come out and kick the crap out of it. But as for an older
>454 SS, it beats the older lighting, and has chevy's
>legendary aftermarket potential to really turn it into a
>beast. I'd beat an older lighting handily in my parents
>Bonneville, and your talking about beating an SS454 in a
>mustange. That speaks for itself.

Jkritson, you have absolutely no clue what your talking about. Number one, the new Silverado SS would have 345 horses, not 395, if it ever comes out. Secondly, Motor Trend never compared it to the Lightning. How could they?? It's not even out yet! The numbers aren't even final! You Chevy people can't even get your facts right when you're trying to prove us Ford people wrong.

 

>You read that the ford has best in class torque. What kind
>of nonsense is that. Nothing beats the duramax, not even
>close. And they can claim best in class by matching engines
>that are not comparable, like a standard chevy vs a optional
>ford engine. I was wondering also, why do you guys talk
>about previous model lightnigns. They suck. The new one's
>are cool, but the old ones are slow, ugly and a waste of
>time.

Once again Jkritson, look up your facts before you speak. Yeah, Duramax was on top for about, let's say....6 months maybe? Then Dodge came out with their new engine, 305 horsepower and 555 lb-ft of torque (at 1400 rpm.) Not only that, but Ford updated their torque to be at 525, which now puts Chevy on the bottom in the torque department. And now, next January 2003, the new 6.0 liter Powerstroke comes out, which makes 325 hp and 560 lb ft of torque. So once again, just like usual, Chevy is on the bottom again.

 

The GT40 is a piece of crap, and guess what it won't beat a Viper. I don't even like vipers, but at least I know which one will win. If you want to talk concept cars, the Cadilac, with it 755 horsepower will destroy anything on the planet. GM like always wins again. Oh, and why hasn't a ford been a motortrend truck of the year for quite some time. Maybe it is because GM has won it the past three years in a row. Redicoulous.

 

maybe motortrend is more for a plush, treny, all around pansy *** type mag and is down with the POD IFS and leather interior not to mention rear wheel steering. ford trucks are built for work and thats what they do well. as for ur concept cars, once again ur dreamin. cadillaic with 755hp? for public sale ur talking about 400hp if that. so ya keep dreamin. why is chebby on bottom again on the new disiel(sp) and why is it that more work companies use ford trucks? cuz there made for work, now a plush wussy ride.


PS: u GM boys amuse me with ur "our car has this, blah blah blah" ur all talk, nuttin to back it up with. why are u trying to start up some internet fight anyway? why arent u driving ur many super gm "toys".

 

>The GT40 is a piece of crap, and guess what it won't beat a
>Viper. I don't even like vipers, but at least I know which
>one will win. If you want to talk concept cars, the
>Cadilac, with it 755 horsepower will destroy anything on the
>planet. GM like always wins again. Oh, and why hasn't a
>ford been a motortrend truck of the year for quite some
>time. Maybe it is because GM has won it the past three
>years in a row. Redicoulous.

Where'd the GT40 come in to this? BTW, I think that the GT40 will give the Viper one helluva run for its money, if it doesn't beat it. Which I think it will, because I believe its lighter (but I'm not sure on that.) 755 horsepower isn't even street legal. That's a totally ridiculous number. The reason that Ford hasn't been a Motortrend truck of the year is the fact that, since '99, it hasn't been redesigned. Nice try, but once again, you lose.

 

ok, let me have my 2 cents on this
this is the same type of argument as: pentium or AMD computers?
however i have proof with my arguments, not some phoney argument saying you have a cavalier with so much horsepower. anybody can randomly generate numbers with horsepower and torque, just to make things look better for themselves. The point in the matter is the argument on which is more dependable? ford or chevy?

I wash cars for a living, i know it's not that great of a job, but hey, it's money none-the-less.

1) A little while back i was washing at a used car dealership and they had a 2001 Ford F-350 powerstroke diesel, etc. on the windshield it said "brand new transmission!" Now why would they put that on a windshield of a vehicle that's only a couple years old?

2) My work truck is a Ford F-350 1-ton, and it broke down at a chevy dealership. we were stuck for 4 hours, and had to spend 80 bucks for a tiny piece that goes to the distributor.

3) Why is it ford has more recalled vehicles than chevy? read consumer reports

4) On the radio, and on television i've seen and heard advertisements with ford saying "we have the most parts for your all your needs with your ford vehicle."

5) why is it ford's garages at dealerships are always twice as big and have twice the staff than that of chevy dealerships?

6) why are all the fords in our chevy dealership's garages?

7) My boss has a taurus. got a new transmission, went 45 to 60 miles and the transmission went out yet again.

8) everybody and their grandmother (so it seems) has a mustang. if it's not a mustang, it's an import.

9) my friend has a stock mitsubishi eclipse GSX (1997) and it can keep up with a stock 4.6 GT mustang.

10) sure ford sells the most cars and trucks, that's because they sell cheap. chevy is committed to quality, ford is committed to mass production.

11) ford copied the trend of GM products. look at GMC's Cyclone and Typhoon. all the sudden ford comes out with Lightning? lame. even then, a stock cyclone or typhoon can beat a stock lightning. it's a LOT lighter than the lightning.

12) my brother has a mustang LX with a SVT cobra motor in it, E303 cam, 4:10 gears, bored and polished heads, etc. the only thing that makes his car fast is the gears. on top of that his speedometer doesn't work, and his exhaust leaks.

13) just from a drive from colorado springs to denver (about an hour drive at 75mph) i counted 32 broke down fords and not a single chevy broke down.

14) when i went to go buy my S-10 blazer, i counted 5 broke down fords within 1 mile, not a single broke down chevy anywhere, except for my blazer which already had 300,000 miles on it to begin with.

15) and last but not least, the duramax DOES have more torque AND horsepower than the powerstroke. 10 times the torque if i read correctly, and about 7 times the horsepower.

i used to be a ford fan, then i saw all the problems that randomly came along, while growing up. i became a chevy fan in '94. i'm a fan of dependability, not speed. and if i wanted speed, i'd take the callaway twin turbo corvette or the lingenfelter vette over any saleen or GT90 or whatever. :P

i will finish with this thought: the ONLY thing that ford makes that's any good at all, is the 9 inch rear end.

 

The one thing that shows people here that all this info is fake besides the fact that i can prove everyone of these things is false is that-

15) and last but not least, the duramax DOES have more torque AND horsepower than the powerstroke. 10 times the torque if i read correctly, and about 7 times the horsepower.

so that would mean your duramax makes 5600 ft lbs of torque and 2275hp. Now i'm sure chev didn't slip a train engine in their HD trucks. Oh and ford does have the best in class torque at 560 ft/lbs and i'm pretty sure we have more hp then chev diseals to.


Cody, Coutts Alberta

82' Flareside: zoom zoom doesn't even begin to describe it, 2/4 Drop, Soon to have 325hp 351 Clevo (maybe more,in a 3600lb truck)Backed by a C6 with a 2000 rpm stall and a 3.50 9 incher, American Racing AR-23 (series 23) wheels, Upgraded interior, Sony Xplod stereo

 

actually, that's what i've *heard* not making a 100% guarantee on that statement. however everything prior to that statement is based on what i've personally seen and experienced. either way i'd rather have the dependability of a GM product than a piece of trash ford like the one i saw the other day making so much smoke that it looked like it was on fire...you couldn't see anything from the doors on back. not even the 50 cars behind him. my friend has a Taurus SHO, and already the tranny is junk after 200 miles. now he can't put it in park or it will stay in park. he has to put the e-brake on while in neutral. also, his anti-lock brake sensor is stuck. my boss's truck overheats like crazy, no matter how much antifreeze/water we put in. and he had to rig the ignition up to a button on the side of the dash. the frame also makes a huge cracking sound when going through dips.

*sarcasm* good job ford. way to go quality! */sarcasm*

oh yah, why is it all ford owners get all uptight when you talk trash about fords? why is it the mustang owners who are all hopped up with superchargers and stuff....bragging about beating a stock V6 camaro, or an import? apples vs. oranges. guarantee you a hopped up toyota supra TT will eat up a hopped up stang. same thing with a nissan skyline R34. same thing with the Nissan 300ZX TT hopped up. not all imports suck. only a majority of them.

as far as i'm concerned the of ford vs. chevy is an endless thing. some learn to just let it go, others hold onto it like it's a religion. I'm one of the guys that hold onto it like a religion

kinda weird...i surf the net trying to look for some ideas on a custom paint job for a 99 silverado, and i end up 'ing a ford vs. chevy thread.

 

ok, if u feel the need to bash a ford porduct on a ford forum then go ahead. personally i think its ridicolus(sp) that someone needs to bash something online to make themselves feel better about themselves.

but i do have proof that chevys arent all that dependable. my buddy has a late 70"s chevy with a 350/auto. he blew 3 motors and 2 trannys. another buddy of mine has an early 90s buick regal 2 door, had the whole top end of the motor rebuilt cuz they couldnt find the problem. my cuz has a 90 s-10 4 banger, blew 2 motors. hes not the best on trucks but he still killed 2. my aunt has a 99 pontiac grand am, its been to the shop 3 times since she bought it in the summer for various coolent and elect. problems. need i go on? i think i shall, my g/fs dad has a 97 tahoe and its the biggest terd in the snow. he got stuck in a parkin spot with around 8" of snow and mine walked outta its parkin spot with about 12" or more of snow from the snow plows.

my truck only ever had the water pump replaced and both upper n lower ball joints. my dads f-150 has normal matience done. my moms taurus hasnt had any problems beside a reaccuring brake problem due to a wreck she was in. my 2 buddys has mid 80 rangers and both still run strong. ones lifted and only had normal matience since he got it this summer. my other friends ranger hasnt had many problems besides a dead battery and dead alt and new tranny (manual) since he had it for 3 years. the only real problem is them stalling when cold, but there carb'd. my other buddy has a mid 80s f-150 and pounds it to death off-road and not an engine problem from it. hasnt even broke many parts besides a few hubs.

as for imports of course a supra TT will smoke a stang GT, its twin turbos and weights less. same with the nissans, lighter. i seen on a magaize that they made a focus zx3 smoke a stock stang GT.

bottem line is its all how u maintaine ur vehicle, that tells how long it'll last.

 

Well at least we can all agree we like the fords, chevys, and dodges better than them damn tacomas right?

If anyone says the tacoma is better than a f250, or the equal line of GM and Dodge trucks, you're crazy.

throwing lists of how bad your friends truck broke is stupid.

A hyundai will go for 300k miles if you drive down the highway at 55mph and maintain it well.

My dad's F-150 with an I6 300 went for about 280k miles, he beat the living crap out of that truck. He sold it, still runnin fine. Does this speak for all Ford trucks? hell no. I've seen some crap out real fast. the new F-150s have TORSION BARS. W-T-F.

Throwing hp and torque numbers is just stupid. We all know a civic can have the same horse as a bigblock, but its gunna be at 9k rpm.

I drive a Ford because my dad has always had Fords, and i'm familiar with them.

 

it's just like he said. it's all about how you maintain the vehicle. the only way i can see a person blowing so many motors is not maintaining it with oil changes OR....just putting the revs past red-line all the time. that's the only time i've seen any motor blow on a GM product. not to mention, the thing was made in the 70s. i guess what it boils down to is personal preference and a little bit of "luck" if you happen to get a good ford. 1:50 chance?

sure, all motor companies make lemons...just that chevy has less lemons than ford.

sure, you have the cavalier....it's not supposed to be fancy or all awesome, it's a car made for people who like low cost. the chevette was a joke. just like the ford makes the tempo and the escort and pinto..they are for low-cost buyers.

personally, i'm glad that chevy got rid of the chevette and citation. just like ford got rid of the pinto and tempo. they knew they were worthless to begin with.

now if you look at what ford makes that just "might" be considered a decent buy....the only thing they have is their trucks, or some after-market mustang. now chevy on the other hand....they have their HD trucks, the duramax, regular trucks, the camaros, vettes, impala, monte carlo. to me, chevrolet has a better selection of quality vehicles that are at a reasonable price, whereas ford only has two selections worth even looking at: the trucks and a mustang of whatever type. even then i'd rather a chevy HD truck or a camaro over the powerstroke or mustang.

another point to look at, is the nascar circuit. why is it that all the top finishers are driving the chevy? then dodge comes after them, then usually fords end up in last position. sure you can argue it's all in the driver, but if you put jeff gordon in a ford, he wouldn't get a win. that's just my opinion though.

now if you're trying to compare ford vs. the entire GM lineup, ford has mercury, mazda, lincoln, and some others. On top of that, all their cars are pretty much the same exact body style and interior, they just swap the badges on the cars. the only thing i'd want if anything in the ford market..is maybe the mazda RX-7 rotary. and maybe the miata special edition and the MP-3. that's about all i can think of in the ford market that i'd ever want.

chevy on the other hand, you have chevy, gmc, pontiac, cadillac, oldsmobile, buick, among others. the positive thing about this, is almost every one of them makers have different body styles with the exception of chevy and gmc. and i would love to have a cadillac escalade denali, pontiac grand prix GTP (supercharged stock), pontiac bonneville SSEI (supercharged stock), with oldsmobile i'd love to have a 442. also the normal Z28 camaro, the corvette, 94 impala SS, monte carlo...and not to mention the infamous buick grand national.

ok, so i too much, i better stop rambling too much. you all are probably by now.

 

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 29-Dec-02 AT 05:46 PM (EST)]GM should quit asking ISUZU for their engines. Both GM and Isuzus are crap and they oughta build their own trannys and not get modified transfer truck ones. I've never seen a Chevy with over 150,000 miles with the original engine or trans. If you wanna talk trash about Fords, why dont you got to a truck pull and see what blows up at the 5o foot marker--Duramaxes and 8.1s. Almost forgot, at the last pull I went to, a Ranger out pulled all the Chevys there.

 

Question: If all the top winston cup guys drive chevs and dodges then why were 7 of the top ten drivers in points driving ford? Another question where is the clone of the Auston(sp?) Martin DB7 lineup or the Land Rovers lineup? or the Focus, Mustang, Cougar, Lightning, Supercrew, need i say more?

Cody, Coutts Alberta

82' Flareside: zoom zoom doesn't even begin to describe it, 2/4 Drop, Soon to have 325hp 351 Clevo (maybe more,in a 3600lb truck)Backed by a C6 with a 2000 rpm stall and a 3.50 9 incher, American Racing AR-23 (series 23) wheels, Upgraded interior, Sony Xplod stereo