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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 01:07 AM
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well about 20 something years ago there was a big international harvester plant close to where i live,but The UNION wanted more and more...so guess what happened they left.in some cases unions are good,but i dont have one,i never really heard of someone getting fired of the way they looked,wouldnt u just not hire them
I think he was exaggerating, but the point was they don't need a reason to fire you. Seriously. There is no burden placed on the business to prove that there was a good reason to fire someone... they can just do it on a whim.
 
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 07:47 AM
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I HAVE A FRIEND in the road construction business,works for a big company and he went out with bosses ex wife had 17 years at company, when boss found out, fired!! no union protection there!! better example???
 
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 08:02 AM
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I HAVE A FRIEND in the road construction business,works for a big company and he went out with bosses ex wife had 17 years at company, when boss found out, fired!! no union protection there!! better example???

He could of always sued him. Would have won no problem.
 
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 09:28 AM
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Do you really believe that ANYONE who buys a Japanese import is going to admit that it went to the shop for a repair? Do you think that said same person is going to devulge the enormity of his / her repair bill? I think not, it's blasphamy.

I'd buy a Hyundai before I'd buy either a Honda or a Toy. Excellent quality, less expensive and a much more comrehensive warranty.

Thumbs up to Ford, it's awesome employees and the union that protects them!!!!!!

Tim

My parents bought a Honda, kept it six months and dumped it.....worst vehicle they had ever owned they said.

I'd also consider buying a Hyundai, the new genisis is a very fine looking car


And ford's done great, the workers are great employees, but the UAW has run the big three into the ground. Retiree's health care costs, salaries, and benenfits are whats killing the big three, I think what will happen is the big three will end up in bankruptcy, be relieved of those obligations, and proceed forward under new contracts.....its the only way out as i see it.

And to all of those who think the new 09 is overpriced (or the 08's for that matter) ...... to a large extent its because of the UAW....


Just my opinion.....
 
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 09:32 AM
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yes I can complain about quality, even if I have done aftermarket stuff to my expedition. The quality issues occurred right after I bought the vehicle and for the first year and half of ownership when nothing was changed from stock until recently.

You obviously havent followed the market and such. All new trucks and suvs have lost such a high percentage of their value, that it makes trading in a problem vehicle pretty tough when you owe more on it that it is worth (plus the wife won't let me trade this one in till 100K anyways, since I went out on a limb and trusted ford one too many times).

So yes I have altered the vehicle with some aftermarket things recently to make the truck better. IF FORD CANNOT MAKE THE VEHICLE PERFORM THE WAY IT SHOULD HAVE FROM THE START AND GIVEN THE MANY OPPORTUNITIES I HAVE GIVEN THEM, why not make the truck better and more fun to drive???

Since adding the aftermarket custom tunes and leveling kit, I could not be happier. The truck is performing now better than it ever did. I just had to fork over a little money to get it where it should have been from the start. I find it pretty funny that an aftermarket company can come up with a better tune for the engine than Ford can do for themselves. I am getting way better throttle response, way better fuel economy, and it is more fun to drive.

Originally Posted by 09 platinum
you got an expedition thats been played around with and you are complaining about quality?as far as unions, maybe they are a bit overmanaged, but without them fighting fo our rights back in the days we would be in a socialist society wthout any!
 
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Bsimmer3000
He could of always sued him. Would have won no problem.

Depends on the state. If its a right to work state the case would have been thrown out of court.

Frankly, someone going out with the boss's ex.... that's not very good judgement. You have to remember, the company created the job, and the job belongs to the company, not the employee. If someone works for my company I should be able to hire/fire whoever I want so long as its not discriminating a protected status group.

Now, in this case, it can certainly create a situation where the boss and other employees are not comfortable working with the guy, possible communications break-downs because it, etc., and if a boss or other employees are impacted by an employees decisions they should have every right to replace a person who potentially creates hostility in the work place.
 
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 01:46 PM
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Depends on the state. If its a right to work state the case would have been thrown out of court.

Frankly, someone going out with the boss's ex.... that's not very good judgement. You have to remember, the company created the job, and the job belongs to the company, not the employee. If someone works for my company I should be able to hire/fire whoever I want so long as its not discriminating a protected status group.

Now, in this case, it can certainly create a situation where the boss and other employees are not comfortable working with the guy, possible communications break-downs because it, etc., and if a boss or other employees are impacted by an employees decisions they should have every right to replace a person who potentially creates hostility in the work place.
Up here a employer has to have reasonable grounds to fire you, if not you can go to the labour board. Now Im not all sure exactly what the labour board can do for yo, but ive heard of paying the guys wages untill he finds another job, and payouts.

Now the kinda catch to that is, you have to be able to prove that you were fired for an unreasonable reason.

I date the boss's daughter, get fired, boss could say it was because i was screwing up too much and there would be his reasonable grounds for firing.
 
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by excaliber551
You're kidding yourself. Ford might have temporarily inched closer to Honda and Toyota in initial quality but in long term quality they are still miles behind.
Just look at used car values and that will give you some real info.

Ford is on the brink of bankruptcy and for good reason. Will they even be able to stay in business next year without a bailout?

When your workforce is constantly looking over it's shoulders for pink slips quality can't be far behind. Honda and Toyota are in great shape because they have built quality vehicles for years. It's really that simple, build a vehicle that's dependable and it will sell.

My salesman at work is a Ford guy. I was looking at his Ford SUV the other day and asked him how he liked it. He said Fords are great till they hit 50,000 then things start rattling and falling off them.
He said his wifes Honda is a much better built vehicle.

People aren't stupid. They know who builds the best vehicles. It's going to take a decade of perfection from Ford to lose the stigma that they build poor quality cars.
Dude, all cars/trucks f'ken rattle.

My little sisters honda civic began to rattle at 25,000, now she has a freekin Scion tC and it rattles at 15,000. I think you just fooled yourself.
 
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 02:57 PM
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Just turn that volume dial clockwise and for some strange reason all the rattles stop.
 
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Bsimmer3000
Just turn that volume dial clockwise and for some strange reason all the rattles stop.
Not to mention the engine runs smoother when you can't hear it.
 
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by excaliber551
You can talk or write till your blue in the face but you wont convince many other than the Ford faithfull on this site that Ford is equal to Honda or Toyota in anything.

Initial quality does not correlate with long term quality. It's not even related. Anyone can build a vehicle that stays together for a couple months enabling the customer to fill out their satisfaction survey, even Ford.

The only thing Ford kills Toyota on is trips the the service writer for warranty repairs.
I know first about this first hand as I've owned three brand new Ford trucks and two Toyota trucks along with a Rav4, Camry and now our brand new 4Runner.

All of my Toyota's put together have had less trips to the service writer than my best Ford and that's how I judge quality.

It's like I said earlier, Toyota and Honda have an excellent reputation for buildng excellent vehicles and rightfully so.
Go preach your import crap on import sites.... Who the F&*$@) this guy think he is.
 
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Bad
In 2008MY vehicles, the gap is already gone.
Note, I said ALLEDGED quality gap. I personally don't think that a gap exists in the build quality, long term quality or otherwise quality of Ford motor products and the imports. I can't rationally speak for GM and Chrysler as I think they are junk from jump street. Ford is the only one that truely gets it.

On a side note, I was watching the news last night and congress was breaking off in the big three CEO's a$$es. How dumb was it to fly corporate jets to DC to beg for money? I'm sorry that they didn't get what they needed to keep themselves afloat, but, where does it end?

BTW, anyone who's dumb enough to play around with anyone who is or was close to the boss is an idiot and should be fired for stupidity. I don't want to work with a prson that I don't trust and no one else should have to either.

Tim
 
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by V10_Cougar
Go preach your import crap on import sites.... Who the F&*$@) this guy think he is.
Someone who's not a koolaid drinker like you are.
 
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 07:54 PM
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Hrmm....Ford Truck Enthusiasts

I wonder what THAT means?
 
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Crazy001
Hrmm....Ford Truck Enthusiasts

I wonder what THAT means?
Conveniently left out the truck part eh!

Shoulda said Ford Truck Enthusiasts

Im a huge ford guy (specially trucks) but not so much such a huge ford fan of the later ford cars (with some exceptions)
 
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