YES! I'm quite sure.

 

SnakeyJake must be BD's OFFICIAL nutswinger.

Moderator Note - Post edited, some content removed - please refrain from namecalling and personal insults. Thank you.

 

Agreed. I was on Cummins forum trying make a smoke switch so i could make a truck smoke more just for show and fun and bd said something along the lines of (why dont we just show this to the epa) or some crap like that. I will never do business with bd period.

 

What happened to this BD poster?

 

Musta got scared

 

Either that or management over at BD found out and gave who ever does the typing the boot for continually killing their reputation and business

 

I have bought a bunch of stuff from Dennis at ITP over the years. I have found it all to be of high quality, good value and Dennis is always willing to be helpful. Heck, just look at his site, with everything else he does he still maintains a HELP forum!

BD has shown their true colors in this thread.

Dealing with companies and people where attitudes are pro customer like Brian at BTS, Dennis at ITP and Jody at DP Tuner are always rewarding (I know I left some out, sorry). Integrity, truthfulness and above all, the customer is always right attitude seems to be their motto.....

and then you have dave.

 

I agree with that.

 

But what do you know? You used a tomato can instead of a coffee can

 

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I see you guys take these threads very serious as do I, which is probably why I stepped out of line in the first place. I am not told to come on the forums or get paid for it, I do in my spare time because I enjoy it. I am not going to come on here and try to make excuses for my actions regarding ITP's CCV kit. There is no excuse for what I did and I do regret it!

With that said I do not regret any comments I made regarding the environment, I believe in keeping the environment clean despite the drop of oil in the sea theory. I and am a firm believer that if you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem.


However, I do deeply regret my actions towards ITP's-CCV kit and am not afraid to come on here and offer my sincere apology. I am sure we have all posted or done something and regretted it the next day. I know that is not an excuse for my actions but I am sincerely sorry and would like to make any attempt to undo what I have done. I of all people should know that there is more involved in releasing a kit than just the cost of the materials. When I visited ITP's site to get the information on a competitor (which we all do) I got to admit I was very impressed with his site and the products he has developed for the Powerstoke. Even his attitude towards me was helpful despite being suspicious of my intentions. I can see why everyone has defended him to the extent that you all have. The one positive that has come out of all this and hope ITP can see it, is realizing how well received he is by his customers!

I understand respect is mine to loose and hope I can start to regain some of it back over time understanding my actions will dictate that. I hope some of you can look past this thread although I know some of you will not. For those not so easy to forgive please read some of the posting I have done before stepping out of line on this one. I would like to think I have done more good here than bad here but after this thread I am not so sure anymore... you be the judge.

This has been a bad start to my day and want you ALL to know I have read ever word of every post and have taken it all in. It has left me feeling every bit as bad as I deserve to feel... lesson learned!

Sincerely Dave

 

I've got no problem with DIY'ers, but do consider that keeping the stock CCV "adapter" in-line in the air intake system does pose some airflow restriction (notice that the stock unit is not full diameter all the way through). The aluminum tube used in the one I sell is full diameter and doesn't restrict any airflow. It's also got a custom bracket welded to it so it bolts up to the factory mounting bracket, and then it's powdercoated for a nice appearance as well. Instead of "I did mine much better", lets just agree that you did yours for less money and accomplished the same CCV function...but certainly not to the same level of completeness. At the very least, don't insult the product I sell and insinuate that I'm gouging people when you have not taken into consideration the extra work (waterjet machining, welding, powdercoating), completeness of the kit (mounting hardware, lots of hose, nuts, bolts, zip ties, instructions, packaging), etc. Just because you did yours for less money doesn't make the one I sell a bad deal.

This depends entirely on what the final goal is. If it's just to reroute the CCV, your way works just fine. If they want to clean up the airflow path than more is needed. This has been done with a piece of 4" exhaust tubing by a lot of PSD owners. Different strokes for different folks...

I'm not sure what you're referring to here, but many of the PSD mods have been detailed in one forum or another. You can find complete build lists for doing a fuel system or an HPX hose for example. I think that many people prefer to buy a "kit" from a vendor because there is no guesswork. When it comes to something like a fuel system kit, you can easily mimic the hoses I make, and maybe even the S.S. tubes if you are good with a bender and can braze. Getting the CNC cut bracketry and CNC machined custom fittings done on your own is a bit different. The advantage of a kit is that it's all cut and assembled to the right lengths, all hardware included and you get complete detailed instructions.

I have no doubt that there are others in the same boat. There will always be those that prefer the DIY approach, whether it's because of money or because they are very "hands on" and prefer to make their own stuff. I've seen some absolutely amazing DIY work on some trucks...work that made me jealous. I've also seen some less than stellar work (being polite). DIY isn't for everyone. All I'm asking is that you refrain from making it sound like vendors are robbing people, just because YOU can do it for less money doesn't mean that everyone can...and doesn't mean that we are gouging people.

 

You need to address the PDR turbo issue before I would even consider your apology.

 

Apology accepted.

THANK YOU!

 

Here is my take on it. 4 options.

1. Do nothing and hope for the best.
2. Do it cheaply like snakeyjake
3. Do it like ITP and make it look nice
4. Do it like BD and both make it look nice and try save the environment

These are in ascending cost. There are pros and cons depending on what you care for. Can I just put a 4 in exhaust pipe in it? Sure, it will rattle around but nothing says that you cannot do that. Is the environment important enough to go the BD route even though it is a drop is the sea? Depends on your feeling. Me personally? No. Somebody else might decide the $300 is well spent that way. Which one of us is right? Depends on who you talk to. IOW individual decision. Why ITP and not the 4 in pipe? Do you want the pipe secured or do you not mind letting it wiggle around. Again, personal preference.

Lets face it. Options 2, 3 and 4 allow you to achieve the same goal. In my case, I went and still would go with ITP because I want the oil fumes somewhere else besides in the intercooler track, I want the pipe secured and I don't care enough about the environment to make a "drop in the sea" contribution with my money. Another factor is that my housing was cracked at the parts where the screws go in and I did want it held there. IF BD's part was the same price as ITP and I was doing the CCV mod today, I'd go with BD. BD would cost me more money and I wasn't that caring about the environment so I wasn't going to throw down the long green. Is it a bad idea? Not at all.

 

This is the approach that I have TRIED to follow on my website, the note that I have on my DIY in-tank mod:

Note: The cost of gathering all the parts for this project was about the same as the kit that ITP Diesel sells. I like the challenge of putting a project together from scratch, but you may want to save some time and purchase a pre-assembled kit.