$320 Ccv?
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Wow...I'm impressed that BD wants to do something better for us and the environment. That's cool.
Design goals and benefits:
For the collection of CCV oil/emission residue, I don't know what material is best. Stainless steel wool? Some sort of paper or synthetic element? Gauze? Maybe some sort of hydraulic air/oil separator? How much? How long? How wide?
Then all I need is something to contain it. PVC pipe would work.
Something to mount it. I don't care if I have to zip-tie it somewhere. Making a bracket mount is easy and cheap.
Drain:
Just make a hole, install a drain fitting.
Bypass Valve:
Some sort of valve that opens if there's a lot of vacuum.
Testing:
It would be good to have the product tested. How much is getting pass? Effectiveness? Drain interval?
So how much could all this possibly cost? If I can easily build one myself, then I couldn't imagine paying someone more than $50 total for something like this.
And remember the choices (competitive choices).
1. Don't do the CCV mod at all. Price = $0.
2. Open to air. Price = $10.
3. Do the BD CCV kit. Price = $335.
Jake
Design goals and benefits:
- Eliminate oil residue in air intake system.
- Eliminate oil residue in intercooler.
- Eliminate/Reduce CCV emissions venting to open atmosphere.
- Eliminate risk of filter failure or clog.
- CCV oil/emission residue collection.
- CCV oil/emission residue drain.
- Bypass valve.
For the collection of CCV oil/emission residue, I don't know what material is best. Stainless steel wool? Some sort of paper or synthetic element? Gauze? Maybe some sort of hydraulic air/oil separator? How much? How long? How wide?
Then all I need is something to contain it. PVC pipe would work.
Something to mount it. I don't care if I have to zip-tie it somewhere. Making a bracket mount is easy and cheap.
Drain:
Just make a hole, install a drain fitting.
Bypass Valve:
Some sort of valve that opens if there's a lot of vacuum.
Testing:
It would be good to have the product tested. How much is getting pass? Effectiveness? Drain interval?
So how much could all this possibly cost? If I can easily build one myself, then I couldn't imagine paying someone more than $50 total for something like this.
And remember the choices (competitive choices).
1. Don't do the CCV mod at all. Price = $0.
2. Open to air. Price = $10.
3. Do the BD CCV kit. Price = $335.
Jake
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2. If you want a nice powdercoated piece that has the right attachment points $60 from ITP
3. Nice kit.
Bottom line is do you GAS about whether your little contribution to the environment will change anything or is it going to be a Pyrrhic victory and what that victory is worth to you.
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From: Western WA
Do the boot blow off always happen?
Can I easily inspect the boots and catch this before something happens?
If the boots do blow off, does it cause damage, or just a scare?
Can I replace the boots with something that doesn't have CCV residue issues?
Can I easily inspect the boots and catch this before something happens?
If the boots do blow off, does it cause damage, or just a scare?
Can I replace the boots with something that doesn't have CCV residue issues?
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From: Hartford, WI
Yes and no. You can wash the boot and it looks clean but you can never tell what is between the boot and the pipe unless you take it off and clean it. Last month when it happened to Dad, what caused it? He cleaned it with Simple Green every now and then. Even so, the inside of the pipes were oily. Cleaning it only is visual but doesn't address what is on the inside.
Depends on how stupid you are. (neighbor's kid just hurt his engine) If you pull off and check things out and have it towed, no problem. OTOH, if you think that losing power means hit the go pedal harder, you could cause damage. Loss of boost means higher EGT. Too high EGT could lead to a meltdown.
Not economically. I would just vent it to atmosphere. My pipes are now clean since I did that. That is the cheapest way. I went with ITP because of the nice pipe that has a bracket welded on it and nicely powdercoated.
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the road to hades is paved with good intentions.......what will people do with all of these "carbon" soaked filters?? throw them in the trashcan which they will then be burned in a landfill somewhere.
mine is vented to the atmosphere. cheap easy fix. not worth it to me to spend that kind of loot on that kind of mod. i had another paragraph typed about environmentalism ridiculum and the like but did not want to be inflammatory.
Bottom line, if you are selling the kits and making money, why change? thats the goal or you would not be selling them. there are two ways to make money, high margin low volume or low margin high volume. whichever works is fine, it just seems to me that more people here are looking for lower margin but could give you a higher volume. offer an FTE discount or something. Or again, if they are selling just fine then tell people to save up.
mine is vented to the atmosphere. cheap easy fix. not worth it to me to spend that kind of loot on that kind of mod. i had another paragraph typed about environmentalism ridiculum and the like but did not want to be inflammatory.
Bottom line, if you are selling the kits and making money, why change? thats the goal or you would not be selling them. there are two ways to make money, high margin low volume or low margin high volume. whichever works is fine, it just seems to me that more people here are looking for lower margin but could give you a higher volume. offer an FTE discount or something. Or again, if they are selling just fine then tell people to save up.
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From: Western WA
the road to hades is paved with good intentions.......what will people do with all of these "carbon" soaked filters?? throw them in the trashcan which they will then be burned in a landfill somewhere.
mine is vented to the atmosphere. cheap easy fix. not worth it to me to spend that kind of loot on that kind of mod. i had another paragraph typed about environmentalism ridiculum and the like but did not want to be inflammatory.
Bottom line, if you are selling the kits and making money, why change? thats the goal or you would not be selling them. there are two ways to make money, high margin low volume or low margin high volume. whichever works is fine, it just seems to me that more people here are looking for lower margin but could give you a higher volume. offer an FTE discount or something. Or again, if they are selling just fine then tell people to save up.
mine is vented to the atmosphere. cheap easy fix. not worth it to me to spend that kind of loot on that kind of mod. i had another paragraph typed about environmentalism ridiculum and the like but did not want to be inflammatory.
Bottom line, if you are selling the kits and making money, why change? thats the goal or you would not be selling them. there are two ways to make money, high margin low volume or low margin high volume. whichever works is fine, it just seems to me that more people here are looking for lower margin but could give you a higher volume. offer an FTE discount or something. Or again, if they are selling just fine then tell people to save up.
Everyone will have their own reason. For $335, I can't help but think the reason is $$$. For me, it will be to make my truck happy, and so no one will have to smell the fumes. If the environment benefits....that's a plus.
Personally, I'm tired of spending my $$$ for the environment on low margin improvements, while China is burning dirty coal to manufacturer products for global consumption, and getting nice fat profits.
I'm tired of getting squeezed.
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Amen to that!!!!
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I doubt the truck cares whether you vent to atmosphere or back into the engine.
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I believe it would be a great idea but I am with Jake on the enviroment a little CCV vapors isn't even a drop in the ocean compared to everyone else with heavily modified motors. Though you have a GREAT design on the kit it looks very clean if the price was better I would seriously consider it.
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i bought a kit that was made by a member on another forum that is pretty much the same as your kit with one exception. the by-pass thing. i paid 96 bux for it so for your extra neat by-pass option i think somewhere in the ballpark of 140 bux would probably be the highest i would pay. jmo......