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Old Aug 17, 2008 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by the cleaner
What the hell did we all tow with before diesel pick-up's were available to the public? We have only had these powerfull diesels the past 10 or 12 years. Before that you had Non Turbo no power rattle boxes....Gassers have been towing since the truck was invented !!

Oh I've been staying out of this til I saw this post. Actually the diesels have been used since 1898 in just about everything and were the prefered engine for heavy hauling when they were introduced in vehicles. What you are referring to in the last 10-12 yrs is when hp output was able to satisfy those that wanted more hp and they didn't much care for towing capabilities as much as the cool factor(which for a long time until I would say within recent months was the majority of diesel truck owners, but those for the most part have been culled due to recent times). Now I'm sure that there were towers that didn't go to diesels because they might have thought they were slow, but that doesn't mean that they weren't the preferred engine for hauling just because they didn't pass the seat of the pants dyno for people. Diesels have been used for heavy duty work and are still being used in heavier work then v10s for the most part, now you do have some exceptions, but not the majority.

Now for what the OP is talking about a v10 is sufficient(have to do something to keep this post relevant) and should serve the OP alright for what he does.

While I have participated in my fair share of these debates, it is getting tiring to basically rehash over the same "stuff" over and over again. Both of their strong and weak points and we can spend yrs arguing this(and some have) and not come out with a definitive answer that would satisfy those entrenched in their beliefs on both sides.
 
Old Aug 17, 2008 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by jmpopp
The GVWR is 7258 KG.
So, that is 14,500lbs. Read below and BUY THE TRUCK!!! (and if you don't believe me - see this http://www.sunrisefordfleet.com/pdf_...uides/2005.pdf )

From the 2005 towing guide for F250/F350 for 5th wheel trailers with a V-10. The info below suggests you would be within limits for 4.30 gears, possibly a little overloaded for 4.10 gears. This, of course, would assume you load the trailer to the max with cargo and toys.

So for the most part, you should be fine with the V10 but if you plan on loading it to the max and towing on a lot of steep grades and do not have 4.30 gears you could consider that as a possible upgrade if you feel you need the extra power. NO NEED FOR A DIESEL!! (By the way, the tow limits are the same for the V-10 and the 6.0L Diesel in this configuration.)

6.8L SEFI V10 Crew Cab with Auto Transmission


4.10 Gears 14,400lbs with 2X4 13,900lbs with 4X4 (both assume SRW) GCWR 21,000lbs
4.30 Gears 15,900lbs with 2X4 15,400lbs with 4X4 GCWR 22,500lbs


• For F-250/F-350 SRW models, F-350 trailer weights are shown. F-250 trailer weights are within 100 pounds. Check with your sales consultant.

• Trailer tongue load weight should be 10-15% of total loaded trailer weight. Make sure vehicle payload (reduced by option weight) will accommodate trailer tongue load weight and
weight of passengers and cargo added to towing vehicle. Addition of trailer tongue load weight and weight of passengers and cargo cannot cause vehicle weights to exceed rear
GAWR or GVWR.




 
Old Aug 17, 2008 | 11:12 AM
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I tow with my 01 F250 V10 about 1-2 times a month. otherwise it sits. I drive a honda to work to afford to drive the F250 on long trips. I am gonna say it, I wish I would have gone with a 7.3 diesel. I hate the gas mileage of a V10, I only use my truck for long hauls, i.e 3 hour drives, 150-300 mile trips. I have done a tune up on my truck. But all in all, I get 10 mpg towing, unless their is a nasty headwind than it is around 8 mpg. Even empty I only get maybe 12mpg. I have 81k on my truck, I am impressed with the towing capabilities. The truck does what I need it to do, but the gas mileage bites. I am towing around 8-9k lb trailer with my crawler on it and enough gear for a weekend of wheeling/camping.
 
Old Aug 17, 2008 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Lizard XJ
I tow with my 01 F250 V10 about 1-2 times a month. otherwise it sits. I drive a honda to work to afford to drive the F250 on long trips. I am gonna say it, I wish I would have gone with a 7.3 diesel. I hate the gas mileage of a V10, I only use my truck for long hauls, i.e 3 hour drives, 150-300 mile trips. I have done a tune up on my truck. But all in all, I get 10 mpg towing, unless their is a nasty headwind than it is around 8 mpg. Even empty I only get maybe 12mpg. I have 81k on my truck, I am impressed with the towing capabilities. The truck does what I need it to do, but the gas mileage bites. I am towing around 8-9k lb trailer with my crawler on it and enough gear for a weekend of wheeling/camping.
Again.The words "gas mileage" and "V10" do not go together.Its a towing machine.Period.
 
Old Aug 17, 2008 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Bagger
Millions of people like the Back Street Boys but that does not mean it is good music.
Ford pushed powerstrokes for years, doesn't mean they are good either.
 
Old Aug 17, 2008 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by WildWildWest
So, that is 14,500lbs. Read below and BUY THE TRUCK!!! (and if you don't believe me - see this http://www.sunrisefordfleet.com/pdf_...uides/2005.pdf )

From the 2005 towing guide for F250/F350 for 5th wheel trailers with a V-10. The info below suggests you would be within limits for 4.30 gears, possibly a little overloaded for 4.10 gears. This, of course, would assume you load the trailer to the max with cargo and toys.

So for the most part, you should be fine with the V10 but if you plan on loading it to the max and towing on a lot of steep grades and do not have 4.30 gears you could consider that as a possible upgrade if you feel you need the extra power. NO NEED FOR A DIESEL!! (By the way, the tow limits are the same for the V-10 and the 6.0L Diesel in this configuration.)

6.8L SEFI V10 Crew Cab with Auto Transmission
4.10 Gears 14,400lbs with 2X4 13,900lbs with 4X4 (both assume SRW) GCWR 21,000lbs
4.30 Gears 15,900lbs with 2X4 15,400lbs with 4X4 GCWR 22,500lbs


• For F-250/F-350 SRW models, F-350 trailer weights are shown. F-250 trailer weights are within 100 pounds. Check with your sales consultant.

• Trailer tongue load weight should be 10-15% of total loaded trailer weight. Make sure vehicle payload (reduced by option weight) will accommodate trailer tongue load weight and
weight of passengers and cargo added to towing vehicle. Addition of trailer tongue load weight and weight of passengers and cargo cannot cause vehicle weights to exceed rear
GAWR or GVWR.




The only problem with swapping gears is, the truck is still rated for the lower tow rating, so technically it would not be legal to tow higher weights even though the truck is perfectly capable.

I have a similar problem with my F250. It is very easy to "overload" it because it has a relatively low GVWR when compared to the F350, even though physically they are the same (for all practical purposes). When I bought the truck (new in 10/01) I didn't do my research.
 
Old Aug 17, 2008 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Monster-4
Some quick calculations show that you would need to be at 5.13 to be at stock tires with 4.30. With 4.88 your in the ball park so it's probably not worth changing over to 5.13.
You must have one heck of a drop hitch with 8 inch lift with 38's!
I thought I should have gone lower. 5:13s sounds good. I wounder how that will affect gas milege? Right now the truck computor says I'm ownly getting 7.8mpg!

Yes I did have to get an 11inch drop hitch. I think its bearly leagle for the weight of the Bronco.
 
Old Aug 17, 2008 | 02:05 PM
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As long as you aren't over-revving on the highway the lower gears will help with mileage since it will take less throttle on acceleration.
 
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Old Aug 17, 2008 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by WildWildWest
So, that is 14,500lbs.
Isn't it closer to 16,000 lbs?

7258 X 2.2 = 15967

 
Old Aug 17, 2008 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by dsl_pwrd_ford
Originally Posted by krewat
Don't feed the trolls, people!
what does that mean???
I think you now know EXACTLY what I meant.

To be clear, a "troll" is someone who posts a nice little comment like your first one, and then after getting the obvious answers, posts this:

Originally Posted by dsl_pwrd_ford
let's revisit his original question, "can a v10 handle his trailer" sure, but I recommended a diesel. and all of a sudden you v10 owners got your panties in bunch. sounds like I'm not allowed to have a different opinion
Whether you intended it or not, that's basically what a troll does.

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Let's do this one more time - ENOUGH WITH THE GAS VS. DIESEL PISSING CONTEST

I told everyone to not feed the troll, and you guys did it anyway.

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