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Old Mar 11, 2008 | 10:14 AM
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they ALL have or have had problems.... but I think everyone one here is talking baout the deisels not the gassers??? or am I in the wrong forum?
 
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Old Mar 11, 2008 | 12:11 PM
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we are talking about diesels, the 6.5 is what came before the duramax
 
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Old Mar 11, 2008 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by duramaximizer
I have to tell you that ford wasn't right in the middle, they were right behind dodge who was right behind gm.
Actually the point I was trying to make (and should have been a little clearer on) is that all the power in the world is not going to do you any good if you can not dependable haul a heavy load over challenging road conditions.<O</O
Ford dominates this ability. Dodge is second due to the engine break and GM is dead last. GM needs to do some serious catching up.<O</O
But if you’re not interested in hauling heavy loads and only want a grocery getter, then get a GM that’s about all there good for.<O</O
With the help of Matts tuners Ford will not only be blowing the doors of the competition when it comes to hauling heavy loads, they will be blowing the fenders and tires of the competition as well. Thanks Matt.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2008 | 05:20 PM
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Since when was Ford, with all of their warranty repairs on the 6.0, on top of the hauling hp. Most guy's I see are in a dodge. Very few are in Fords.

Matts 500hp tunes are NOT for heavy hauling, they are for drag racing and truck pulling. IF YOU THINK YOU ARE GOING TO PULL A LARGE LOAD UP HILL AT 500rwhp WITHOUT SENDING EGT'S THROUGH THE ROOF, YOU ARE CRAZY!

Good luck blowing away a GM towing up hill if he has a programmer at all.

I am sorry you guys haven't seen the duramax running in 9's 10's 11's or a lot of 12's in the quarter mile. Not to mention the truck pulls 300ft at a time.

This is way off topic. I love hp for all involved, but the duramax has been awesome.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2008 | 07:25 PM
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Ford by far dominates around here with people who tow, Dodge is second and GM is way behind. The duramax is a good motor, the rest of the truck is not built to work, it is a great commuter though and it may do well at the track, but then again who gives a crap.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2008 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by kimminau2
Ford by far dominates around here with people who tow, Dodge is second and GM is way behind. The duramax is a good motor, the rest of the truck is not built to work, it is a great commuter though and it may do well at the track, but then again who gives a crap.
Same way here.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2008 | 11:12 PM
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Majority and domination are two completely different words with completely different meanings. You say domination but I think you mean majority.

Oh, I am sorry track times and distances have no relativity on the durability or hp that the average consumer can see out of a motor pulling a 5th wheel? If a stock motor holds up better and does better in competition, doesn't that mean that it is more likely to do better on the street in the real world? We aren't Nascar sorry.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2008 | 08:07 AM
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If I meant majority I would have said majority.

If the track timesperformance suggested that the PSD didn't even make it to the finish line that would be significant. If they get there 1 or 2 seconds behind, it doesn't mean squat. You also made a jump in assuming that faster times on the track mean better reliability. That has not been proven out. As I said, the duramax is a good motor, the rest of truck is not built for real daily work. I have owned many GM trucks including Duramax powered trucks, as a whole the Fords hold up and work better.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2008 | 12:44 PM
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McRat Said this on dieselplace.
If that dyno was the one I looked at earlier, it's a 1.08 correction.

That's alot.

Truck is about 450RWHP most likely. Not bad, but 490.

It also has limited area under the curve, perhap 400rwhp average between shifts, or about a 14 second ET in a 7000lb truck.

Getting there, but still needs some more.
Any idea on a 1/4 mile track time Spartan Guys?


Please define durability. Excessive warrant costs to Ford? Define work better.

Never mind I am not, I am not argueing with you, I will just disagree forever and ever.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2008 | 01:23 PM
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There is a reason that 80% of REAL work trucks are Fords even though I am seeing more and more Dodges. The only Chevys you see are the site supervisor, or tool push or basically any one who doesn't use their truck for work

That's just what I see up here in Canada
 
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Old Mar 12, 2008 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by duramaximizer
Since when was Ford, with all of their warranty repairs on the 6.0, on top of the hauling hp. Most guy's I see are in a dodge. Very few are in Fords.

Matts 500hp tunes are NOT for heavy hauling, they are for drag racing and truck pulling. IF YOU THINK YOU ARE GOING TO PULL A LARGE LOAD UP HILL AT 500rwhp WITHOUT SENDING EGT'S THROUGH THE ROOF, YOU ARE CRAZY!

Good luck blowing away a GM towing up hill if he has a programmer at all.

I am sorry you guys haven't seen the duramax running in 9's 10's 11's or a lot of 12's in the quarter mile. Not to mention the truck pulls 300ft at a time.

This is way off topic. I love hp for all involved, but the duramax has been awesome.
My truck pulls my 20Klb load just fine over any hill with the 300rwhp, so even if I got Matts 500rwhp chip I would only be using 300 of it so I would not have to worry about the EGT's. Granted your GM would need the 500rwhp to do the same job as my Ford with 300rwhp.
The only part of the hill your GM would be passing me would be on the down hill stretch. Which I would gladly pull over and let "blaze" on by with your breaks and tires on fire.
As for a 9 second quarter mile truck, well I'd just use my F150 for that. Even on a bad day it will spank your GM chipped or not.
If you actually looked on Matts sight you would see he has different versions of his chip for the 6.0, I would expect he would do the same for the 6.4. But for know he is taking it to the limit to see what happens wich is great.
I am looking forward to getting Matts device in the more moderate mode for tow/hauling which I am sure he will have available down the road.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2008 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by duramaximizer
Majority and domination are two completely different words with completely different meanings. You say domination but I think you mean majority.

Oh, I am sorry track times and distances have no relativity on the durability or hp that the average consumer can see out of a motor pulling a 5th wheel? If a stock motor holds up better and does better in competition, doesn't that mean that it is more likely to do better on the street in the real world? We aren't Nascar sorry.
Well now that you brought up how durable a stock motor would be if it was used in compitition and Nascar as well.
How many Duracrapers are being run in the Craftsman series? None. How many powerstrokes are being run? Several. mmmm. Guess that means the duracraper can't hold up to racing, which means the stock motor is no good as well, according to your statement of Stock vers. Compitition.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2008 | 04:11 PM
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Are the Duracraps even capable of towing 20K??? I thought they were only good for 16k or something like that!! but maybe i'm wrong....
 
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Old Mar 12, 2008 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by duramaximizer
I will just disagree forever and ever.
That says it all right there...

And no duracraps cant tow 20,000 lbs. Its 16.5k.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2008 | 09:28 PM
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Well, we all know that the doucheamaxes will not work for offroading, due to the 2" of ground clearance under the front of the cab. Where the frame has the hoopty do. Minimizer, what is that all about anyway?
 
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