Engine Choice
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Engine Choice
Ok i am going to order an 08 or 09 SD and i was headstrong about a PSD but i hear people talking about getting stuck and not being able to heat up a deisel in the cold. Well here is my issue, the truck i want will be an F250 Lariet 4x4 CC SWB. I will be using it for offroading and towing. I need a truck that will be able to pull people out of the mud and snow (when i am in wisconsin for the winters). I mainly live in Deep South Texas and do not worry about the cold but when i am up there i will be glad i have the block heater. Would a V10 be better for me or should i stay with the PSD, i need to be able to tow a large car trailer and sometimes carry alot of construction material. But i also what to be able to pull someone out of the mud and not get stuck myself, and sometimes i want to go offroading myself.
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I thought so and i do believe what ford says about the 20 below start is true, my father-in-law went to test drive an 08 and the glow plugs heated up in a sec and he started the truck and it fired right up, and that is with the weather around -25 (he went in the morning after wisconsin just got about 6" of snow)
Also most of my driving will be done here in TX where winter right now is around 87* getting close to 95* sometimes and the lowest temp we will see is 50* and that is rare. The only problem i see is mudding but you do not really want to pull someone out while you are in the mud. When i do travel i will be towing a 25' trailer with my stang and luggage and extra parts.
Also most of my driving will be done here in TX where winter right now is around 87* getting close to 95* sometimes and the lowest temp we will see is 50* and that is rare. The only problem i see is mudding but you do not really want to pull someone out while you are in the mud. When i do travel i will be towing a 25' trailer with my stang and luggage and extra parts.
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Originally Posted by RedDragon777
Ok i am going to order an 08 or 09 SD and i was headstrong about a PSD but i hear people talking about getting stuck and not being able to heat up a deisel in the cold. Well here is my issue, the truck i want will be an F250 Lariet 4x4 CC SWB. I will be using it for offroading and towing. I need a truck that will be able to pull people out of the mud and snow (when i am in wisconsin for the winters). I mainly live in Deep South Texas and do not worry about the cold but when i am up there i will be glad i have the block heater. Would a V10 be better for me or should i stay with the PSD, i need to be able to tow a large car trailer and sometimes carry alot of construction material. But i also what to be able to pull someone out of the mud and not get stuck myself, and sometimes i want to go offroading myself.
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well my ford dealer is giving me a steal, even though the diesel cost more from ford the V10 has more dealer mark up down here since i guess the diesel prices are so high. A V10 Lariet down here costs around $55K with all the options while a PSD Lariet will cost around $47K with all the options. Either way i know i am going to be taking loans just for gas since mid grade does not leave the 2.85-3.20 range here and diesel is sitting pretty at 3.15. What i am afriad of is the V10 drinking gas as if it were water.
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Bear in mind I'm new here but not new to Ford trucks. I have a great '93 460 four-door dually I bought new that has been an incredible truck. If Ford still offered that engine I would buy a new truck in the next few years. They don't and I'm not a huge fan of the V10 though I can't fault it from personal knowledge.
At this point I would probably switch to the new diesel for many reasons though as it was pointed out the economy isn't there until the upside-down price of diesel goes back to its traditional level. It all comes down to how much torque do you need to do your tasks.
If you haul trailers the new diesel is the prime answer. Its 650 lb-ft puts my 400 to shame, even though it was industry-best in 1993.
I drove semis for several years and could never sleep in the sleeper with the vibration and rattle but heavy pickup truck diesels have come a long way.
Always a tough choice. Hope my great old 460 lasts a few more years so I have more choices. In my book, the best engine Ford ever made for a truck! Wish I had put a blower on it when it was in its prime!
At this point I would probably switch to the new diesel for many reasons though as it was pointed out the economy isn't there until the upside-down price of diesel goes back to its traditional level. It all comes down to how much torque do you need to do your tasks.
If you haul trailers the new diesel is the prime answer. Its 650 lb-ft puts my 400 to shame, even though it was industry-best in 1993.
I drove semis for several years and could never sleep in the sleeper with the vibration and rattle but heavy pickup truck diesels have come a long way.
Always a tough choice. Hope my great old 460 lasts a few more years so I have more choices. In my book, the best engine Ford ever made for a truck! Wish I had put a blower on it when it was in its prime!
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And I forgot to mention I live in southern Harris County though I grew up in Midland in West Texas where the amazing Jim Hall created his Chapparel cars that won in Can-Am in the '70s. Ten of his cars are displayed in the Chapparel wing of the Petroleum Museum and I was amazed to get to see them last year.
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Love my 02 V10. Starting it up is never an issue. It is better off road than the PSD because the extra wieght of the PSD will get the front wheels stuck in a heart beat. It is very quiet and regular maintanance does not cost near as much. (i.e. oil changes, airfilters, fuel filters)
I get about 11 to 13mpg around town, 13 to 15 on the highway and 13.2 on the interstate. I tow a 5000lbs boat and get about 11 to 12mpg. Gas where I live is about $2.84 while diesel is about $3.25; Plus stations that have diesel can be hard to find sometimes.
Just my $0.02.
I get about 11 to 13mpg around town, 13 to 15 on the highway and 13.2 on the interstate. I tow a 5000lbs boat and get about 11 to 12mpg. Gas where I live is about $2.84 while diesel is about $3.25; Plus stations that have diesel can be hard to find sometimes.
Just my $0.02.
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My vote goes for the V-10, but if your dealer is offering you a diesel at that price vs. a V-10, money talks. I would probably lean toward the diesel.
You should have an excellent choice of 250's there is Texas. After performoing a search myself, I ran across a thread about the abundancy of 250's and choices there. Don't be afraid to look around even 100 miles away. You can do that simply on the internet without leaving the house then go look at one you think you might like. I found mine 125 miles away.
My vote goes for the V-10, but if your dealer is offering you a diesel at that price vs. a V-10, money talks. I would probably lean toward the diesel.
You should have an excellent choice of 250's there is Texas. After performoing a search myself, I ran across a thread about the abundancy of 250's and choices there. Don't be afraid to look around even 100 miles away. You can do that simply on the internet without leaving the house then go look at one you think you might like. I found mine 125 miles away.
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I would not worry about the diesel weight a whole lot, if you only go mudding occasionly. The diesel will sink, but the extra weight does give you more traction especially in snow. If you want to go mudding all the time I would not suggest a diesel or V10 you want light truck for that that can be easily pulled out if suck. A diesel will tow better than a V10, and they pull like crazy I have pulled many vehicles out of the ditch up here in MN and have never had a problem. Including chevy diesels, chevy and dodge pick-ups, jeeps, cars, and the occasional ford owner although usually they just drive out and don't get stuck in the first place. To be honest you really can't have both worlds in one truck, either you want a pulling, towing, good offroad truck, as long as on semi stable soil,(diesel) or you want a mud truck, but your going to have to decide. Even a V10 is going to be heavy, these super duties are not as light as a half ton, or smaller offroad vehicle. I guess I don't spend a lot of time in the mud with mine, although I do pull a lot of guys out when they get stuck.
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my truck is going to be that truck on the sidelines with a 12K warn powerplant HD winch up front and a 20K rear hitch and a couple of HD tow lines. the most mudding this truck will see is me going through the mud to get to the stuck truck then back on solid ground to pull them out. And the most offroading i will do will be out in the brush or out in the feilds.
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get the diesel man, you can beat that kind of traction and power. i realize the '08 and cfrives' '83 are alot diff, but he's had his hood under water and still got out, and pulled out both of the trucks he was hooked to. i cant wait to get my diesel. the economical side is kind of gone with the price of fuel now, but i'd rather be able to do anything i needed to, and pull anything i needed to. i just don see that being the case with a v10. thats just my 2 cents
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I would opt for and I am opting for the V10...diesel where i live is about .30 more a galloon than gas. Add that on top of the extra $6,200 for the 6.4 and the added costs of maint. as well as the unknown of the new 6.4 and the regen systems you are not pulling that much and if your dealers are asking that much more for a 6.8 over the 6.4 I would look else where the V10 should never cost you more than the diesel, that is just crazy...I odrered my trcuk from a dealer 130 miles from my house because they had the bets price..with the help of X-plan and a buddy I am doing good on the price..bets of luck on what ever you decide. I will miss my current diesel, love the sound of them and when the turbo kicks in!!! Got to love it, but V10 here I come..and I will pull a 10k 5th wheel.