People stop saying how much more the diesel costs! He has already said he can get the diesel around $10,000 cheaper then the V10

 

This may be true for the op, but he is the ONLY person who I have ever heard that from. So, for the rest of us, the diesel cost more. Btw, if I were able to buy a diesel for 10k less than a gasser, it would be a very easy choice.

 

Theres something ethically wrong if the dealer is infact marking up the cost of a V-10.

 

Either that, or there really is a high demand for them. Might be why there's so few on the dealer lots. They're all gone!

I can hear the mark walking into the dealer: "I want a Ford truck, but that darn 6.0 fiasco, do you have anything powerful enough without doing to a diesel?" Salesman: "Have I got a deal for you! Here's a 200 thousand mile motor that's even MORE reliable than the 6.0, and I can get it for you for the same price - how's that sound?"

I sometimes really wonder.

 

i did find some 5.4L but they are in BASE model XL single cab 8' box form, i mean the only option they have is 4x4 and thats it and they want 30K for them

 

I'm going through this process as well right now. I've been working with a dealer that I have purchased 3 new vehicles from, and have a good relationship with so far. I'm going from a 2000 Ex with a V-10, to an '08 SD F-250. My hauling needs have changed from needing a people hauler as well as a tow vehicle. Now I just need a tow vehicle and not so much of a people hauler.

Ford is offering several deals to clear their lots. One of the incentives is for business owners, small, medium, large, what ever. All you have to do is bring in a valid business license. My dealer tells me that the reason they are offering so many incentives and wanting to clear things out is due to the fight between Ford and Toyota for the #1 spot for truck sales. That seems more reasonable to me than the 6.4 PSD's are that bad.

I find it very interesting though, that all the posts (that I've read) suggesting going with a diesel are from 7.3 and 6.0 owners. I did not see many, I think only one so far, from a 6.4 owner. And many of the posts from 6.4 owners have several complaints, the regan (sp?) cycle and fuel mileage the top two. I've never really been sold on buying anything when they make a major component change. It just about always needs a year at least to shake things out.

I will say that finding a V-10 is hard and getting harder. When I first checked with my dealer they had three that were not perfect, but were close and had had V-10's. When I checked back a week later, they were all sold.

At this point, I may just end up ordering the F-250 I want with a V-10. I've had great success with my 2000 V-10 going on 150,000 now with nothing more than a tune up and two coils.

Oh, and buy the way. While I agree that no one pays sticker for vehicles, and using the sticker price for an option does not reflect the true cost. However, with the V-10 option price at $600, and the 6.4 PSD option price at $6895 (taken right from the faxed print out I received yesterday) you are going to pay a hefty price for the diesel option regardless of how good of a haggler you are, no question. There is no way to get a diesel at or below the cost of a V-10.

 

i agree 100%. unless you tow very heavy, very often, at high altitudes or run highway miles all day the v10 is hard to argue against.

 

I'm new to your group and, perhaps, too late with my opinion. I bought an F-250 with the V-10 gas engine and 4.10 differential. I use it as my "daily driver" and, also, to pull a 9,000 pound 5th-wheel trailer. I want enough power to climb fairly-steep grades and this setup does it. I can easily maintain ~50-55 mph at 2,700 rpm on a 6% grade when towing. However, with this setup, I get 10 mpg. I'm just not a fan of diesel engines.

 

What year F-250 do you own?

From everything that I've read, the '08 6.4 PSD owners are stating they get the same 10 mpg, but are paying more for diesel. So if both engines get the same 10 mpg, might as well get one that uses the cheaper gas.

I agree with you, there is plenty of torque and pulling power with a V-10. I do a lot of towing, with three very different types of loads, and I really like the performance I get from my V-10. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a anti-diesel. I just want to give Ford some time to work on the 6.4 PSD.

BTW, you're not too late, glad you found the group and welcome aboard.

 

What year F-250 do you own?

From everything that I've read, the '08 6.4 PSD owners are stating they get the same 10 mpg, but are paying more for diesel. So if both engines get the same 10 mpg, might as well get one that uses the cheaper gas.

I agree with you, there is plenty of torque and pulling power with a V-10. I do a lot of towing, with three very different types of loads, and I really like the performance I get from my V-10. Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-diesel. I just want to give Ford some time to work on the 6.4 PSD.

BTW, you're not too late, glad you found the group and welcome aboard.

 

I own a 2006. I'm generally a "sane" driver. But, when I'm next to a little import with nothing but a LOUD exhaust going for it, I can't help but push down on the gas pedal and leave 'em behind. And, I don't mean "floor-boarding" the accelerator. No, just easing down on it is enough. :-) I guess I'm trying to recapture my youth!

 

The v10 is hard to baby because it is so quiet and smooth that unless you really pay attention you find yourself hauling but and thinking you are taking it easy. Also it just begs to be be floored at least once a day. On the plus side the first time gas was $3 a gallon I drove like an egg was under the peddle and used ever trick I knew to get better MPG, my result was about 1MPG. On the plus side keeping her under 2K RPM I was not the slowest thing on the road BUT after a couple of tanks it just was not worth it.

 

the only thing that will keep the psd from starting if the batterys are up and the glow plus are working is to have your fuel gel up, and i never saw fuel gel until below 30 below and i ran canada and northern maine for 45 years. and the psd warms up as fast as the gasser on a lot less fuel. that v10 wont get 5 mpg pulling 15000 lbs!

 

And you're wrong.

 

hell last time I did it I got 8... and that was pulling a 10,000 ft pass!

BTW, It was -10 here this morning, and I had to jump start my neighbor's '05 6.0. His Sears Die-Hard batteries are one year old, my old wal-mart special is stamped 08/04...