The japanese cars should stay out of the series all together. These sports started with the big 3 and i think it should stay that way. we are slowly being over run by the ricers, I just cant take it.

 

Actually that is where I disagree. You make a car here you can play. In fact since they are going to have to build a V8 mayby we can take the rice out of ricers.

 

Remember everyone, if you are referring to a group of people - please do it in the correct manner.

As for rules - Terry is right, there isn't a form of motorsport that doesn't run without rules - and safety and expense are the main reasons.
Special events like Pikes Peak, Paris Dakar, Race to the Sky, Nurburgring 24hour etc. are probably the closest to being unlimited (and even then there are VERY stringent rules).

Any form that attracts large crowds/TV audience will attract lots of dollars, and therefore it will become too expensive to be at the top, and quite often unsafe as well.

I too romanticise about older days in motorsport (not NASCAR mind you...), the likes of the Turbo F1 cars from the 80's (I still have a photo etched in my mind of Prost drifting at 150mph coming out of turn 3 as he hit boost at Hockenheim), Class B rally cars etc.
I still like F1 and WRC, but they won't be what they were in those days, yeah I miss it, but I know that neither could exist in todays world.
I have found other forms of motorsport that quench my desire for huge power in a small package (Pikes Peak and Race to the Sky), it happens that these are less watched, and hopefully for my sake they remain that way.

Look around, I am sure there is a sport that will fill that void that stock car racing of old left you with.

 

I found this while digging in my archives, thought it interesting and I believe it to be factual. The guy that wrote it claimed to be an insider but never stated doing what in na$car. He debunked a poster, in part, with this post about the sb2.2 heads shivy are using. I don't recall his name/handle though, but c&p'd this last season I believe, and reads as follows;

"Myth busters say:

"Front nose, rear deck"

Actually, new nose, and rear facia based folowing nascar submission rules

"The heads were the most recent. "

How about that..and only 2 years beyond the 10 year rule while GM got an entirely new engine only 5 years into the 10 year rule.

"Chevy has the only engine based on a production engine. "

Wrong.* None on ethe manufacturers run engines based on any production piece anymore.* However, if you actually look at all 3 only the Ford comes close to looking like a piece they produced for the street at one time or another.

1.* The SB2.2 uses a block that is without the well known Chevy oil filter boss.

2.* The SB2.2 uses Ford lifter bore diameters.

3.* The SB2.2 uses a cylinder head with aboslutely no resemblance to the 23 degree inline valve "mirror" head so regognizable as an SBC head.

While at thesame time:

1.* The Ford uses a modern version of a 302 baby Windsor block with a 9.000" deck height.

2.* When you look at a set of Yates D3 heads bolted on a cup block it looks like a Boss 302 engine.* Deck is taller, but still looks like one."

I got a kick out of this when i read and obviously saved it. One thing from that quote I'd like to bring up again is the fact that Ford was forced to wait 12 years for a new head design to compete against the sb2's that shivy got after waiting only 5 years out of 10. Thanks again gmna$car!

That's why we were seeing so many Ford motors detonate during races into the 04 season and prior, they were winding em out to no-mans land trying to compete. Even wound tight they couldn't keep up down the straights with the sb2's.

Of course now with the new Ford heads we can keep up down the straights, it's the turning left (and sometimes right) that's killing us.

Later

 

There is not a real "stock car" in Nextel Cup anyway hell none of tthem are even rear wheel drive as prduction vehicles. My dad and uncles used to race Grand National Series way back when. Those were real cars big block 427's in a Galaxie, what more could you ask for. "Second place is the first loser, nice guys finish last, rubbin is racing, and cheaters always win."

 

NASCAR is becoming just like football. No dynasty's anymore. Everybody has to run the same stuff, fit the "go, no go gauge" etc etc. They have great marketing, look at the spectators filling stands and buying the hats. this is why no one will ever beat Richard Petty's win record. He was way ahead of the learning curve. (And a little cheating too).

 

I wouldn't tell a patriots fan that dynasties are dead in football. Now, as for Richard petty, I disagree with him being called the "king". He won most of his races in an era when there were very few competitve teams. Dale Sr, on the other hand won just as many championships, and quite a few races in a era when racing became harder, there were more competitve teams and drivers.

 

Most weekends i dont want to devote 4 hours of TV to a race. So I watch the last half hour or so, or if I'm gone will tape the last of it. They will replay all the good stuff anyhow sometime towards the end. (Race recap). Go 17.

 

If the Pats were a dynasty, they being playing a Super Bowl Sunday.

 

Speaking of dynasty's: Ottawa Senators!!!! go sens go, now back to trucks.....

 

Well, considering that the Camry is the hottest selling car in the United States of America, that means that somebody in the United States must be buying this car.

So, since you say it's an "American sport", why not ban foreign players from playing in the NBA, or the NFL ? After all, those leagues are American sports as well.

How about we ban sushi too, and mexican food? That's not American food either. Real Americans don't eat foreign food, that would be supporting the foreigners in some way, shape or form.

While we are at it, anybody that eats falafel or has kabobs for dinner should be sent to a Syrian prison for torture.

Why stop at banning foreign cars from NASCAR? We could just get the NSA to tap everybody's phones who ever ate Chinese food. That is surely un-American.

 

National Association of Stock Car Auto Racing

I see nothing in there that says you have to run an American car. It is true that rules stated at one time that you had to run a Buick, Cadillac, Chrysler, Ford, Hudson, Kaiser, Lincoln, Mercury or Oldsmobile.

But looking at the list and looking at what is left that is American only GM or Ford are left. I think what they where really saying that if the car is made here and it fits the rules you can race it.

 

Sushi, kabobs, falafel, mexican food, foreign athletes, what does that have to do with my statement????? Cars are one thing but I can't even begin to imagine what your saying. Taping phone lines????? I don't know what that has to do with NASCAR, but then again your whole paragraph is fubar!

 

http://autos.msn.com/advice/article....LP%20Passenger
The 2007 camry isnt as bland looking as was the previous one, anyone else recognize a little Mazda in the design??

 

What's the big deal. Except for Native Americans, we're all foreign or originated from foreigh parts. I think the Native Americans are probably also foreigh, they just got here first.