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Since DaimlerChrysler is a German company and a "Charger"-looking car runs in Winston (strike that) Nextel Cup, what is the big deal about Toyota?
As for it always being V-8's, one of the last RWD "stock" cars to compete was the Buick Regal with a turbo V-6, winning the manufacturers cup in the early 1980's. I think Winston Cup (oops, said it again) was called Grand National back then.
Jim
As for it always being V-8's, one of the last RWD "stock" cars to compete was the Buick Regal with a turbo V-6, winning the manufacturers cup in the early 1980's. I think Winston Cup (oops, said it again) was called Grand National back then.
Jim
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Originally Posted by osbornk
Where do you get your Nascar history? It started long before the 60s and before the major manufacturers even made OHV V8s.
As a side note, I apologize to the person who feels I was directing my "temper tantrum" statement towards him. I work with several guys who have said they are going to completey boycot nascar because they are allowing Toyota in, and I feel that is a less than acceptable way to fight the situation if you choose to fight it. Believe me, they and you will be in the small minority that will stop watching racing.
As previously stated, When we (americans) decided to race in foreign countries races, they didn't boycott us, they just whipped us. Don't you think thats the proper way to fight against a foreign company?
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marketing. now rednecks will want one 
Originally Posted by BigF350
I HONESTLY don't know what Toyota are going to achieve by doing it.
They have built a brand successfully on smaller displacement, higher technology engines, and are entering a sport where you can't even run fuel injection....
They have built a brand successfully on smaller displacement, higher technology engines, and are entering a sport where you can't even run fuel injection....
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Here's my take on Nascar.
The cars are not stock. I dont think there's one part on them that is stock. They should not even be able to call it NASCAR any more. Ridiculous. Then you've got the rules changes to "make such and such manufacurer more competitive" and it's just a big load of....
So I guess I dont really care if Toyota joins up. Doesn't affect me anyway since I dont watch it.
The cars are not stock. I dont think there's one part on them that is stock. They should not even be able to call it NASCAR any more. Ridiculous. Then you've got the rules changes to "make such and such manufacurer more competitive" and it's just a big load of....
So I guess I dont really care if Toyota joins up. Doesn't affect me anyway since I dont watch it.
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Well NASCAR is changing so much and so fast...sometimes I wonder if the rapid growth is going to hurt it on the long run. Has anyone tried to take a family of 5 to a race anymore....you darn near have to take out a loan to be able to afford it. Nascar better not forget who made the sport so popular..it was the fans.
As far as Toyota coming, well after '06 I will no longer be recieving my season tickets to Richmond and Bristol. This is just my opinion but Nascar to me has always been one of the most "American" things you can watch on TV...and for me it's just not gonna be the same.... Has Toyota EVER put a V8. carbuerated, pushrod motor in a car, truck, SUV or anything... say I have a old Toyota I'm restoring can I find one of those motors for it? hmmmm
As far as Toyota coming, well after '06 I will no longer be recieving my season tickets to Richmond and Bristol. This is just my opinion but Nascar to me has always been one of the most "American" things you can watch on TV...and for me it's just not gonna be the same.... Has Toyota EVER put a V8. carbuerated, pushrod motor in a car, truck, SUV or anything... say I have a old Toyota I'm restoring can I find one of those motors for it? hmmmm
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Brian429, you said it best! Ford, Dodge and GM have been apart of nascar for 50+ years. They own this sport, they have been around for the good times and the bad. When I watch NASCAR I cheer for Roush and I enjoy nothing better than to have a ford/chevy or ford/dodge side by side comming off turn 4! IF toyota builds a 800+HP carburator engine, I wonder what kind of gas mileage it will get, 40MPG? (sarcasim). I am very sure they're people out there who will agree with me, and WILL get upset when attending the "Toyota 500," so it basically comes down to two groups, those who don't care and are for it and those of us, like me, who are against it. I am merely voicing my democratic right to voice my opinion, so don't jump all over me like crap to a blanket! But just remember what NASCAR stands for, its NASCAR not TOYCAR!
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Does anyone think any of the cars that race today are stock?
As for Toyota just now joining in, lets see, Dodge just recently came back. And I don't think that the celicas or camries from the 70's, 80's, and early 90's would have had anywhere close to a body raceable in NASCAR.
Does anyone think any of the cars that race today are stock?
As for Toyota just now joining in, lets see, Dodge just recently came back. And I don't think that the celicas or camries from the 70's, 80's, and early 90's would have had anywhere close to a body raceable in NASCAR.
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It is all about marketing. Cup racing is turning into a large iroc series. Just wait till the car of tomorrow takes over. You haven't seen parity yet. As far as not allowing foreign cars to run the series, who cares. Do you think F1 would ban Ford, or any other American car manufacturer from competing because their not European? If you have a sport that want's to be considered the best in the world, you can't tell the rest of the world that they can't play. Toyota is in this for one reason, and one reason only. To sell more cars. Just like Ford, Chevy, and Dodge. The one thing that has not changed since the birth of Nascar is what win's on Sunday, sells on Monday. Toyota will win in their first season. Personally, I could care less about brands in racing. I root for drivers. P.S. Isn't Dodge owned by Damlier Benz? And Ford owns Jag and Volvo. There is no true American car in the old sense. Are any of the stock versions of cup cars rear wheel drive? When was the last time an American car, or any car for that matter built with a carburetor? What I would like to see is for Nascar to go back to about 1978 and freeze the rules right there. We all know something like that is never going to happen. Change is constant. Nothing stays the same. Man is this long! Hope I didn't bore everybody to death. By the way, only 19 day's, 18hr's, and 30 min till the Daytona 500. 
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Originally Posted by jimandmandy
Since DaimlerChrysler is a German company and a "Charger"-looking car runs in Winston (strike that) Nextel Cup, what is the big deal about Toyota?
As for it always being V-8's, one of the last RWD "stock" cars to compete was the Buick Regal with a turbo V-6, winning the manufacturers cup in the early 1980's. I think Winston Cup (oops, said it again) was called Grand National back then.
Jim
As for it always being V-8's, one of the last RWD "stock" cars to compete was the Buick Regal with a turbo V-6, winning the manufacturers cup in the early 1980's. I think Winston Cup (oops, said it again) was called Grand National back then.
Jim
THE last RWD V-8 stock car ran was the 90's T-Birds, running against fwd luminas, no dudges.
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Nascar isnt nascar anymore anyways. There isn't anything stock about them cars.
But I don't see why Toyota would enter in Nascar. Nascar is mostly a redneck sport, if you understand what I mean. No offence to anyone, Im a redneck myself. I dont see any Toyota owners watching nascar. I dont see many Nascar fans being fond of Toyota cars on the track either. But thats just me.
But I don't see why Toyota would enter in Nascar. Nascar is mostly a redneck sport, if you understand what I mean. No offence to anyone, Im a redneck myself. I dont see any Toyota owners watching nascar. I dont see many Nascar fans being fond of Toyota cars on the track either. But thats just me.
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Originally Posted by Percys Armory
marketing. now rednecks will want one
In relation to this, we had a similar thing occur in the early 90's in our local racing series, now called the V8 Supercars.
Nissan entered the competition with thier Skyline GTR (up until 94, our competition was based on heavily modified road cars).
Nissan absolutely annihalated the competition with a car that was so far superior over the domestic V8 Commodores and Falcons.
The fans despised the vehicle, booed it around tracks - they had paid thier money to see thier local cars, and here was this import "ring-in" winning. They unfortunately didn't recognise a truely impressive race car when they saw it, and I hate to say that they changed the rules after 2 years of domination by Nissan to only allow Fords and Holdens.
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At least a third of the people I know are rednecks, and own toyotas, and watch NASCAR.
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And the only Import I truly want is a Skyline from Japan 
Originally Posted by BigF350
I don't think any "redneck" worth his salt would be caught driving a new camry - then again, I could be wrong.
In relation to this, we had a similar thing occur in the early 90's in our local racing series, now called the V8 Supercars.
Nissan entered the competition with thier Skyline GTR (up until 94, our competition was based on heavily modified road cars).
Nissan absolutely annihalated the competition with a car that was so far superior over the domestic V8 Commodores and Falcons.
The fans despised the vehicle, booed it around tracks - they had paid thier money to see thier local cars, and here was this import "ring-in" winning. They unfortunately didn't recognise a truely impressive race car when they saw it, and I hate to say that they changed the rules after 2 years of domination by Nissan to only allow Fords and Holdens.
In relation to this, we had a similar thing occur in the early 90's in our local racing series, now called the V8 Supercars.
Nissan entered the competition with thier Skyline GTR (up until 94, our competition was based on heavily modified road cars).
Nissan absolutely annihalated the competition with a car that was so far superior over the domestic V8 Commodores and Falcons.
The fans despised the vehicle, booed it around tracks - they had paid thier money to see thier local cars, and here was this import "ring-in" winning. They unfortunately didn't recognise a truely impressive race car when they saw it, and I hate to say that they changed the rules after 2 years of domination by Nissan to only allow Fords and Holdens.