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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 07:38 PM
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Yep I don't remember what the record qualifing lap is for Taladaga but its like 212 in 1987. 1982 was the first year 200mph was broke in qualify. The other to remember is that in the draft they go even faster.
The T-bird holds that record, and I think it may have been 214.+, but the ole memory ain't what it used to be.

I'm not sure what year it was but a T-Bird came from two laps down at dega to win. May have been that year!
 
Old Feb 1, 2006 | 07:40 PM
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Awesome Bill from Dawsonville holds that record
 
Old Feb 1, 2006 | 07:42 PM
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Wasn't it Bill Elliot in his Thunderbird? I remember someone mentioning his name and the fastest speed in NASCAR.
 
Old Feb 1, 2006 | 07:42 PM
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Snake1979 - welcome to Road rallies and Improved production racing
I like that V-8 Supercar series they have down in your neck of the woods. Those Falcons are slick! I watch every chance I get!
 
Old Feb 1, 2006 | 08:09 PM
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Personally, I don't care if they do 200MPH. If you took a stock Mustang GT out to Talledega you could probably do 160. I'd rather see a stock car, on the track. I know, they'd pull out all of the interior, and put in a roll cage. Have the protective seats, diffrent glass, everything like that. And yes, your mechanic could tinker with the engine, and tweak the stock suspension. But still, its the same car, and same stuff that comes factory on the car. Thats what I want to see.
And pray tell what is the Mustang going to race against? Today there are no other cars in its class. And getting a stock Mustang GT to 160 would be hard. I've had my wifes to 140-145. At 135 the car really starts to become unstable. Any little bump upsets it. It still had a little bit more in it but 150mph I think would of been about tops.
 
Old Feb 1, 2006 | 08:14 PM
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And pray tell what is the Mustang going to race against? Today there are no other cars in its class. And getting a stock Mustang GT to 160 would be hard. I've had my wifes to 140-145. At 135 the car really starts to become unstable. Any little bump upsets it. It still had a little bit more in it but 150mph I think would of been about tops.
I have a stock 96/97 Mustang and I can run 135 on the interstate in mine. I'd asume that it would run probably 140 to 145 on a track like Talledega. A newer one, espically the brand new ones could probably easily hit the 160 mark without a limiter on them.

As to the remark, what would they race against. I wasn't saying I'd like to see Mustangs in Nascar, or race against anything like that. I'm just proving, that a car, produced today, can run 160 MPH fairly eaisly at the superspeedways.
 
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I assume you did look at my sig. We do have a new one. I'm telling you 160mph is not possible stock. If I can only get 140-145mph on the flats of Nevada with no turns in 20 miles you are not going to it at Talledega.
 
Old Feb 1, 2006 | 08:43 PM
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Concerning engines, every class of motor sports has engine limitation and the rules change almost ever year. We could go back to the old days where you could use any engine that was in production but at that point the races would become boring. The company with the best engine wins. They put the skids on that back in the 60's. If you where not a company team, i.e. Ford, Chevy or Mopar you could not afford to play.
I'm having a little problem with this statement. First off, "You could use any engine that was in production........the company with the best engine wins"
Isn't that what racing's all about? Do you see anyone at the dragstrip on Saturday night saying "Well, your engine isn't as strong as mine, so I'll take it easy on you, and let you keep up with me to make it a close race." No, whoever shows up with the most power wins, so long as they can put that power to the ground. The same should apply here. If you don't, or can't, make a competitive race car on your own, you shouldn't try to compete. Period. You shouldn't be allowed to rely on bogus rules that make everyone else's cars "equal". It's like the current trend of political correctness gone awry at little league ball games across the country. Nobody actually "loses" a game anymore. They are all winners, no losers, and everybody walks away "happy". Nevermind the fact that it enstills a trend of non-competitiveness in people. After all, if nobody loses, why try and be competitive? "Common templates", "common engine blocks", common drivers. It's all just "common political correctness" that is ruining everything. I REALLY miss the days of Harry Hyde, the Wood Brothers, etc. that actually kept the NASCAR officials on their toes by finding ways around the rules, and making a really interesting race, not 30 car packs driving around 3 inches from one another because no one has the power to break away from the pack, and actually pull away.

And as far as not being able to afford to play unless you are backed by one of the big three, you'd better be backed by someone with the big bucks even nowadays, or you STILL can't play. There's a reason that team owners all go by the old saying "How do you make a million bucks in car racing? You start out with two million!"
 

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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 08:45 PM
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No Mike, even in drag racing there are rules. You just can't put in any engine you want and go race. Every class has restrictions even top fuel.
 
Old Feb 1, 2006 | 08:49 PM
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I assume you did look at my sig. We do have a new one. I'm telling you 160mph is not possible stock. If I can only get 140-145mph on the flats of Nevada with no turns in 20 miles you are not going to it at Talledega.
Its gotta be a limiter. 300hp, with that much weight, that car is more than capable of running 160
 
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I never said there were no rules.
 
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Its not a limiter Snake its aero. I think even the GT500 is aero limited about 158mph.
 
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Mike what is the difference then. Even in Drag Racing or NASCAR in many cases it's the team that shows up with the most power that wins within the rules. As far as I know there is no form of auto racing that is unlimited.
 
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Ok, well they would always make any car more aerodynamic. I'm sure that a Monte Carlo or Ford Tarus, or the old T-birds were stock aero limited. They will always trim a car a little. My point is, that there are STOCK engines, like a 4.6L that can make a car run 160 MPH, someone said previously that they don't make a car today that can do that stock, even if you tinkered on the suspension and engine slightly, like they used to do in the old days of NASCAR. I still think that at a track like Talledega, you could go 160, but we'll never know, because they'd never let me on that track with a 05 or 06 GT mustang. I wouldn't even want to try it in a shelby. Not designed for track racing of any kind. Well, a Drag track.
 
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That is the point the engines in NASCAR where never stock. Sure you could buy the engine off the show room floor but that is where the similarities end. Different carbs and intakes, short block balanced and blue printed, heads modified, dry sump oil systems. Again NASCAR has always been stock looking but it has never been stock.
 



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