Nobody in their right mind can blame 'em.

If Toyota flames out, we'll all be "ROFL" (Did I really resort to IM code for once?)....

If Toyota does well, those who either are for this happening or indifferent (me, for one) will take notice and the others will have tail tucked between legs.

 

Your kidding me right, every car raced in the 60's and early 70's were stock V-8 cars. Ever hear of a Torino Talladega? Dodge Charger?

Most of the T-Birds ford used to race had a V-8, Chevy was the first to offer a car with no V8 option in the Lumina as a race car. Ford followed suit with the Taurus. Thats recent history.

But back when Nascar first started, you drove your street car onto the track, thats why they called it STOCK car racing. And they all had V8's

 

And back before Nascar... it was a drive your street car onto the track, and the final prize was Moonshine!

 

NASCAR can allow the japanese manufacturers to race their cars if they want to and I can decide to never attend another NASCAR race or buy their products if I decide to also. Free country and I can take my business elsewhere.

 

Not trying to be a Nag here, but do you shop at Wal Mart? They started out with all their products Made in the USA. Now look at them, everything is made in China or Taiwan.

And someone (cant remember who) hit the nail on the head by saying that its pretty much just advertising. A Nascar car is a tube chassis with sheet metal looking like a Ford or Chevy or what not. The engine is a 360 block, built by whoever builds them.

I was able to tour the RYR race shop in Carolina, and I was also blessed to eat brunch with Robert Yates at his motorhome when we went to Talladega. My dad buys oil from Texaco.... and they were able to get us tickets and the goodies and yada yada yada. But anyways I talked to him quite a bit about the engines. They buy parts from good engine companies and him and Doug Yates and the rest of the engine crew puts them together.

 

I do buy from Walmart. Generally speaking, they provide decent value for the money, they have a lot to choose from, and they have stores almost everywhere. I do have a problem with how they decide to only stock certain items during certain times of the year. I do very little shopping. When I do, I look at tags to determine where something is made. I try to buy American. If I can't, I try to buy from countries I've determined to be "friendly". I don't consider Japan and China to be "friendly" so I rarely buy something from them. Fortunately, it's fairly easy to keep from buying Japanese products. It's getting real hard to not buy some things from China.

I don't like organizations that crap on what got them where they are today. In my opinion, NASCAR is crapping on American Automobile companies. Without American Automobile companies, NASCAR wouldn't exist. Now, I could care less if NASCAR exists.

 

I'd be willing to say that Japan and Taiwan are on pretty good relations with the United States. JMO.

Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, but I think that not watching racing because they allow foreign car companies is kind of a silly reason. If you don't like the fact that they aren't stock cars anymore, thats a good reason. If you don't like the drivers, thats a good reason.

Every form of automotive racing has foreign cars in it.

When american car companies first raced at le mans, or in F-1 did the Europeans throw a temper tantrum? No, they wanted us to throw our best at them, and try and win. They had confidence in their machinery. And yes, we did beat them, it just took a while.

Welcome to the planet earth, not the planet USA. if your scared of a little competition, then don't play, they've won already.

 

Toyota can have Robbie Gordon! We have Rousch Racing!!!!

 

Must be new this year, cause it wasn't available in 05 or prior. Still one heck of an ugly ride regardless!

As for Toy coming to cup, it doesn't matter to me anymore, I'm losing interest more as the years click by. Na$car isn't anything at all like it used to be. It's all about the $ and IROC styled cars, nothing stock about it.

 

Snake, quality post. You misquoted me, called me silly, accused me of throwing a temper tantrum, and said I was scared. Is their anything else you would like to say about me?

 

I wasn't trying to start a flame war between okst1 and myself or anyone else for that matter. I did not intend to start fights, so I hope everyone understands that.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I just wanted to get a little background info behind his statement, so I asked him a question. Hopefully he or she (dont want to be sexist here, hard to tell gender over the internet!) did not get offended by my question.

I myself buy from Wal Mart! It's like the redneck mall. I guess I could be called hyppocritical because I buy a lot of things made overseas, but at the same time I'm not very fond of things made overseas as far as quality goes.

My dad runs a machine shop, where they used to run many parts for Moen faucets. Moen started having their stuff made overseas in China, knowing the quality wasn't going to be as good as it was here in the states, but it was cheaper to do so. My dad talked to the VP of Moen about all this, and he said that it was actually cheaper for them to have the parts made overseas, and then have them inspected and tested for quality over here in the states. He said that the parts quality dept at one of their plants here in the states passes about 75% of all materials coming from China, whereas having the parts made here were getting a 97% pass rating. Thats pretty sad.

Basically it's all coming down to the economy turning more global instead of being held within the states. It's something that we as Americans have little power over, and is something we will have to live with, probably for the rest of our lives.

Actually I have a trivia question for ya'll. Can you guess the average wage of a man in China making those parts for Moen?

 

handyman, I have no problem with any of your posts. You asked questions to clarify. I have a real problem with people who *** U ME stuff about me without even knowing me.

 

Good to know we're on the same page as far as you and I go. Don't let other people get to ya though. It's really hard to sense sarcasm and joking around vs total seriousness on the internet. No sense in starting wars, the moderators will always win

 

Where do you get your Nascar history? It started long before the 60s and before the major manufacturers even made OHV V8s.

 

Probably about $2 a day, if that. I, too, am PRO American all the way. I will go out of my way to buy American-made products. But, it is getting harder and harder to do so these days. Pay scales aren't increasing as well as they used to in my area, and that leaves precious little extra cash to spend the extra money it costs to buy a quality American product. And that's a scary thing, too. It seems that the trend is going more towards cheaper cost, but lower quality on many things.


Wal Mart is one of the biggest importers of Chinese products in America, if not THE biggest. But I still shop there because, like was said before, they do provide good value for you money. I just choose to try and stay away from the Chinese-made products if at all possible.