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Old Jan 30, 2006 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Snake1979
I work with several guys who have said they are going to completey boycot nascar because they are allowing Toyota in, and I feel that is a less than acceptable way to fight the situation if you choose to fight it. Believe me, they and you will be in the small minority that will stop watching racing.

As previously stated, When we (americans) decided to race in foreign countries races, they didn't boycott us, they just whipped us. Don't you think thats the proper way to fight against a foreign company?
How else would one make a statement to the heads of gmna$car for disapproving what they are doing to this sport? Write an email or letter!?! Never work! Hit super brian (francy boy) in the wallet, he'll feel it - maybe. Better yet, they should quit watching and buying anything associated with the sport that super bri is running into the ground. Hit the ratings and pocketbook.

Mark my word, gmna$car is "currently" #2 in ratings for most watched spectator sport, second only to football. Gmna$car's ratings will begin to drop after all this IROC stuff sinks in to these fickle teens brains and they'll find some new trend to go after leaving gmna$car licking their wounds. I give it 5 years, tops, before it takes the big slide.

As for the "international" racing series that you were referring to. Sure, "they" accept makes of all kinds, from all/many country's. Gmna$car has/was always been "American only," that is until super bri jr took the helm.

Of course I'm basing "my take of it" on what I've been told by those who have access to their elusive/mysterious rule book. Who knows what it says anymore, it's probably penciled in anyway!
 
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BigF350
I don't think any "redneck" worth his salt would be caught driving a new camry - then again, I could be wrong.

In relation to this, we had a similar thing occur in the early 90's in our local racing series, now called the V8 Supercars.
Nissan entered the competition with thier Skyline GTR (up until 94, our competition was based on heavily modified road cars).
Nissan absolutely annihalated the competition with a car that was so far superior over the domestic V8 Commodores and Falcons.
The fans despised the vehicle, booed it around tracks - they had paid thier money to see thier local cars, and here was this import "ring-in" winning. They unfortunately didn't recognise a truely impressive race car when they saw it, and I hate to say that they changed the rules after 2 years of domination by Nissan to only allow Fords and Holdens.
Ok, first things first, your from Austraillia and I'm from Tennessee, west Tennessee to be precise, I think we know a few more Rednecks then you guys. Although ya'll do have a few good singers.

Second, Toyota won't have a special engine in NASCAR, they'll have to run the same block that Ford, Chevy, and Dodge use. If Toyota does impact greatly on NASCAR, its because of the drivers, or the fact that the powers that be will give them all the breaks in the world as far as down force.
 
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Schmids4.9l
Nascar isnt nascar anymore anyways. There isn't anything stock about them cars.

Nascar is mostly a redneck sport, if you understand what I mean.
They're closer to stock now than they will be next year!

Oooh, and don't let super bri hear that gmna$car is a redneck sport, he'd have a fit. He wants to shed that image, along with a few more traditional tracks.
 
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 08:15 PM
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As in the past, toyota has tons of money to spend on the racing circuit. It will be interesting. Who's to say that one of the teams wouldn't give out a few secrets for a wad of cash?
 
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 08:23 PM
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The big question! Will super bri now ignore gm/shivy's under the table big $ and go for toy's bigger $ under the table?

Stay tuned!
 
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Fordsflylow
They're closer to stock now than they will be next year!

Oooh, and don't let super bri hear that gmna$car is a redneck sport, he'd have a fit. He wants to shed that image, along with a few more traditional tracks.

They will always be closer to stock the year before the next! Only way you can tell them apart now is the grille. I'd love to see nascar like it was back in the 60's and 70's today.
 
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Fordsflylow
They're closer to stock now than they will be next year!

Oooh, and don't let super bri hear that gmna$car is a redneck sport, he'd have a fit. He wants to shed that image, along with a few more traditional tracks.
The last part of Fordsflylow's comment is what I have had the most trouble dealing with in the "new age of Nascar". The loss of the old time tracks is rough. I love racing, but I don't watch every cup race anymore. The cookie cutter tracks are simply boring. How many Charlotte's or Michigan's do you need. To me the idea of no Rockingham, Darlington, North Wilkesboro is the saddest part of the new age. I must admit though that I do like the two road courses, but two is enough. Also, as far as all the France bashing, I don't like them either. They know they have us though. Just look at the passion in all these posts! As far as the Toyota bashers, the France's know your going to be in front of your tv, screaming at your driver to put that pos Toyota in the wall. Any sport is more interesting when there's someone or something to hate. That's how Earnhardt got famous.
 
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Fordsflylow

Oooh, and don't let super bri hear that gmna$car is a redneck sport, he'd have a fit. He wants to shed that image, along with a few more traditional tracks.
Sounds like Harley Davidson trying to shed it's "biker image", and trying to present itself as more politically correct these days. They, too, are leaving behind the very people that helped to pull them up from the ashes not all that long ago.....
 
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Old Jan 31, 2006 | 03:32 PM
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I miss the redneckness of the old NASCAR. The predictable prepared statements of the drivers, owners and crew chiefs spoken in generic newscaster sounding english makes me miss the unpredictable southern drawl of days gone by. We followed the drivers of yesterday because they had a distinct personality that was uniquely their own. The newer drivers of today are programed and trained to promote their sponsors. Now NASCAR is doing the same thing with the Car of Tomorrow. I'm afraid the days of unique cars driven by unique drivers are gone. I buy generic drugs but I don't think generic racing appeals to most true race fans.

NASCAR 's desire to move more races to Saturday night hurts the good old dirt track racing that is the most fun to watch. Thank goodness I have a DVR so I can record the races. That way, after I skip through the commercials and "debris" cautions along with the boring parts of the race, I can watch a 4 hour race in less than an hour and not miss a thing.
 
Old Jan 31, 2006 | 03:40 PM
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I'm dissapointed with the car of tommorow stuff. And I will agree that the drivers are way to censored then what they used to be.

The fact that Saturday night races are big events is great, but if you make everything a satuday night race, then they kind of lose their special nature. Bristol is getting to be the only NASCAR race I even care about anymore. They can't take the Bristol out of Bristol. It'll always be a beat banging somewhat original NASCAR race. Who cares if they are all IROC cars, give them 10 laps, they'll all have their own distinct bruises.
 
Old Jan 31, 2006 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by osbornk
Thank goodness I have a DVR so I can record the races. That way, after I skip through the commercials and "debris" cautions along with the boring parts of the race, I can watch a 4 hour race in less than an hour and not miss a thing.
I couldn't have written it better myself top to bottom! You and I seem to be alike in our thoughts of what na$car has turned into.

Sad to watch what used to be a good sport go sour!!!

I've been using a dvr/tivo for the past two seasons now and if it weren't for that luxury I wouldn't even waste my time watching it now if I had to watch it live. Bout like watching grass grow! You aren't just kidding when you can watch a race in about an hour and not miss one thing. I've gotten used to that little gizmo!!
 
Old Jan 31, 2006 | 08:06 PM
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If I just fast fowared throught the middle of the race, I'd miss my two hour sunday nap time.
 
Old Jan 31, 2006 | 08:10 PM
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LOL! That sounds just like me during the races! I'll watch the first few laps, then I'll nod off, and next thing I know, it's about 3/4 over with.
 
Old Jan 31, 2006 | 10:25 PM
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I thought the bottom fell out when the Taurus appeared looking like a two door, then came Dodge, The Monte is the only car that is a true two door. As said above there is nothing STOCK about STOCK CAR racing. Just my two cent worth.
 
Old Jan 31, 2006 | 11:25 PM
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Toyota has been in the craftsman truck seres for a while now so it was only a matter of time before it made it's move to nextel cup. I am happy to see more manufactuers get into the sport, and I also like that nascar is making a move to get more people interested in the sport.
 



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