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What I have been doing is to drive until it is almost empty. Going to the same Station to fill up. Fill an empty PS Diesel Kleen bottle with about 5 to 5.5 oz of acetone (here is where the accuracy goes down, the DK bottle does not have a line for 6 oz, so I pour until it is less than 1/2 way between 4 and 8 oz), filling the rest with DK. Acetone mix is added first before filling up. I have a 27 Gal tank, but I always fill more. 1 time going to 32 Gal (how does that happen?) During the test I've been averaging 27.5 to 28.5 gal at each fill up. So far I've added either the recomended dose or less. I would have expected that the MPG would have spiked at least further above the running average line than it did if it was doing what it was suppose to do. Of cource there are variables like my foot, distance traveled, wind speed, rain/shine, sun spot activity, etc...
OK, I went on with my testing, and now finished up my 12th tank. My verdict, no increase in MPG, not really any smoother than before, and I cannot see any increase in performance. I guess I will not be purchasing any more, but will keep my eye on this topic to see if there is any change with someone else.
We need a national discussion of fuel alternatives
Originally Posted by johnny8
hey guys... i know everybody has different opinions on this, but the fact we can discuss this, do independant test, compare impressions and mpg findings... that's what makes this forum interesting...
i'm also wondering if the person who started this thread deserves some kind of award... i mean ten pages...! wow..!
Ok, thanks. How about an answer to this question: Why are diesel prices 20-30 cents/gal more than regular gasoline now when forever the opposite was true. I think we are facing a real economic crisis. I know I am. There is not enough research into alternative fuels, additives and blends and no action being taken by the government whatsoever. Realistically, fuel producers are in the business of selling fuel, as much as possible and bank as much profit as possible. Their profits are incredible now. No crisis for them. Do you really think that they would add something to fuel that would cost them dearly and cause a net loss in sales? I doubt it. There's simply no incentive to it.
Many economists are now saying that oil production will peak within 10 years and decrease in use. The rise and fall of oil use and production is expected to face a bell shaped pattern when displayed on a graph of years of production. Many companies like Ford are developing alternative energy engines in vehicles, notably a hydrogen powered 4.9l engine used in slow moving transportation such as luggage carriers, etc. I believe Ford has developed a supercharged hydrogen powered engine, very similar to an internal combustion engine, displaced in prototype shows in a nice looking car. Gas and diesel engines have come a long way and the art of creating them to burn effeciently with more power and less wear has more or less been mastered. With smog, global warming and health related problems, I think its time to take a good look at this problem. Its good to see that things are taking a change in Europe, but things are lagging in North America. Although some things are looking better. In Ontario, the government is legislating that all gas sold in the province must contaion 5% ethanol within 3 years, and Alberta is going to 10%, to help curtain smog problems. I'm sure that the technology is there to make cleaner burning engines, with the same amount of power and drivability as the gas and diesels that we have now.
Ok, thanks. How about an answer to this question: Why are diesel prices 20-30 cents/gal more than regular gasoline now when forever the opposite was true.
I don't know the answer, but I will tell you what I think. First, it used to be that a barrel of crude oil yielded more diesel than gasoline, but almost all refineries are using hydrocracking technology which allows them to make way more than 50% of a barrel of crude into gasoline. Reduced diesel production = higher prices.
Second, The Marine corp runs on diesel fuel. The military has to be consuming a lot of diesel in Iraq and Afganistan, so the government is competing with us for diesel. You know which one of us can afford to pay more.
Originally Posted by PSDLOVER
I think we are facing a real economic crisis. I know I am. There is not enough research into alternative fuels, additives and blends and no action being taken by the government whatsoever.
Actually there are some fairly exciting things going on in alternative fuel research. For example, a bacterial agent has been discovered that produced higher ethanol yield from wheat straw than is currently produced from corn grain. The problem is that our government is not wholly behind the development of most alternatives.
Originally Posted by PSDLOVER
Realistically, fuel producers are in the business of selling fuel, as much as possible and bank as much profit as possible. Their profits are incredible now. No crisis for them. Do you really think that they would add something to fuel that would cost them dearly and cause a net loss in sales? I doubt it. There's simply no incentive to it.
I disagree. If The producer could get a 20% increase in mileage by adding acetone to diesel for 1 cent per gallon and sell a "premium" diesel that they charge 15% more than regular diesel, they would already be doing it, just like they do with gasoline.
I'm still using it and will continue to do so.. I don't know if my injectors just needed cleaning or what but my PSD runs better using it...
My Kia ia another question, after running two tanks the third I didn't add any and it got like 35 mpg..I added it and it dropped to 32.. so I don't know about it maybe every third tank or so..
I don't know about mileage on my PSD because I don't check it but I know about the smooth running and better staying power ( i need that )...laffin
I do believe, and KWIK said it I believe, that it helps the fuel burn better or something like that. I'm not expert and it may all be in my mind but I'll use it at least every other tank....Thanks to everyone and to all a good night....
Yeah, I didn't get any better mileage that I could measure with a calculator. I did notice a huge difference in the way the engine sounds. Very quiet smooth idle, and a lot less of the pingety cackle sounds on the interstate at partial throttle. Funny thing, this engine sounds better at full throttle than at half. And it really shines when I am working it hard, pulling a pass with the trailer attached. Talk about TURBO.
Yeah, I didn't get any better mileage that I could measure with a calculator. I did notice a huge difference in the way the engine sounds. Very quiet smooth idle, and a lot less of the pingety cackle sounds on the interstate at partial throttle. Funny thing, this engine sounds better at full throttle than at half. And it really shines when I am working it hard, pulling a pass with the trailer attached. Talk about TURBO.
man... i gotta agree with that...! my mule really sounds GREAT when she's pulling a load at about 24 - 26k rpm...! and that POWER..! WOW..! she's even better with the btm installed..!
Well, my mpg on my Kia has improved to 38.5 using acetone every other tank .....
I'm still not sure of my PSD.... We will see.... Although, I have made the Kwik air cleaner mod, so it will be interesting....
BTW, the 38.5 was over several tanks...
Its good to see that things are taking a change in Europe, but things are lagging in North America.
You haven't been to Europe recently, have you. I have. Their cars are not anywhere near as clean burning as here in the states. BTW, Canada has a much better regard for the enviroment than does the US. I was in Canada recently too.
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OK guys. I've been following this thread for some time and I guess its time to chime in a little... I've only been mixing 1.75oz to 10gallons of fuel, and always buying fuel at the same location. I have noticed a lot less cackle and a quieter smother ride on freeway.
I'm running my own 3 tank test. that is 3 tanks with same mixture, one tank to purge, 3 tanks new mixture.....
what I wanted to know is if anyone who started using acetone at the beginning of this thread, and has been consistantly running acetone, what is the latest and greatest update?
any consistant or repeatable MPG improvements yet?
any fine tuning of the mixture ratios comimg up with interesting results?
I dont drive a whole lot so I'm on my third tankful now.
OK guys. I've been following this thread for some time and I guess its time to chime in a little... I've only been mixing 1.75oz to 10gallons of fuel, and always buying fuel at the same location. I have noticed a lot less cackle and a quieter smother ride on freeway.
I'm running my own 3 tank test. that is 3 tanks with same mixture, one tank to purge, 3 tanks new mixture.....
what I wanted to know is if anyone who started using acetone at the beginning of this thread, and has been consistantly running acetone, what is the latest and greatest update?
any consistant or repeatable MPG improvements yet?
any fine tuning of the mixture ratios comimg up with interesting results?
I dont drive a whole lot so I'm on my third tankful now.
I had the same experience as you. A very noticable change in the way the engine sounded. I never could establish a mileage chart due to a very large fuel tank and not enough driving to empty it out that quickly.
But then I started using Bio-diesel and wasn't sure about the benefits of using acetone in bio, so I stopped.
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