The Truth about Trucks
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The Truth about Trucks
i dont know if its been seen here but check it out...
very cool!!!!
http://www.fordvehicles.com/trucks/f150/truth/
very cool!!!!
http://www.fordvehicles.com/trucks/f150/truth/
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It's been posted before. I find it interesting to see the different engineering perspectives used in some of those things. It doesn't make me think much more of the F-150, Ford had a part in making the video so it's obviously going to be pro-Ford in almost every way. For example, they didn't show the Titan's frame and most of the comparisons seem to be against the older trucks ie Toyota and Chevy. I also don't believe beds falling off trucks has been a major problem in the past so a point like that is just hype.
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Its funny how they compare oil filters, and tow hooks. Why not compare price, engines, or drivetrains? I don't think Ford sells the F-150 because of the 6 inch bed bolts they use or the "bigger" oil filter they offer. I also noticed there wasn't alot of F-150 VS Ram on there. Strange considering that the two match up pretty well.
Ford has put alot of detail into the new F-150, and I aplaud them for that. This truck has alot of depth to it.
Ford has put alot of detail into the new F-150, and I aplaud them for that. This truck has alot of depth to it.
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i had to laugh at the video although i do see some of their points it was truely a ford video. as have you all ever seen an old snowmobile front suspension (skidoo) you will know that the those frames rust from the inside out and because they don't coat the inside with rust prohibitor like you do the entire channel of a chevy or whomever. also they picked the biggest part of their frame and the smallest of everyone elses would be my guess. like how many people have ever broke a tow hook? also i don't believe that those 6 bolts are any bigger around then chevy's 8 same size except shorter bolts. thicker more dense steel will almost aways make a louder higher pitch then a thinner piece of steel. i see some of their points on like why did gm go back to rear drums i will never know. i do know gm had them first but it was rather funny watching the dodges hindge connection point to the frame bend. thanks for the laughs.
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Originally Posted by Musclecar_Fan
Its funny how they compare oil filters, and tow hooks. Why not compare price, engines, or drivetrains? I don't think Ford sells the F-150 because of the 6 inch bed bolts they use or the "bigger" oil filter they offer. I also noticed there wasn't alot of F-150 VS Ram on there. Strange considering that the two match up pretty well.
I honestly cannot remeber the last time I've ever seen a Ford motor that had grenaded from the oil filter being clogged....but I can show you a few "other breeds" down at the local garage.
Oil filter size is very important!
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That was awsome! I wish they would've made them longer and compared all the brands on all the aspects.
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Oil FIlters?
I'd agree - the oil filter, and total oil capacity is important! Made me think of the time the wife wanted a Cougar (a '94) was it - had the 302, and held I think 4 quarts??!! The sales guy tried to say this was better - "less oil for each oil change" - lol!! (can't fault him for tryin' I quess) [Fortunately he had us test drive one with a green ext & int - that in and of itself turned the tide and we ended up with the '94 Ranger, what I wanted at the time, which was a great vehicle all around. Probably should have slipped him a few for the favor. . .]
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My 1.3L 4cyl. Festiva has a bigger filter than my moms 3.4L V6 Impala. Also the Festiva has a 4qt. sump and the Impala has the same. I thought it was odd but it was a Chevy. Although my 88 s-10 had a little larger filter so maybe it just the cars. As far as oil filters getting clogged??? I don't think that would be from a small filter, maybe a oil change that never happened.
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a bigger oil filter doesn't get your oil any cleaner nor does it allow you to run your oil any longer. the filter size really has nothing to do with how much oil can flow through it really the bigger filter just allows it to hold more dirt, in which case ford is giving you more than you need if you are doing your part to keep the vehicle up.... this is my .02
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Really? Well then again your theory was only worth 2 cents. Allow me to rip appart your statement. First, you totally contradict yourself. "the bigger filter just allows it to hold more dirt" --> true, so a smaller one would get clogged before a larger one would. Now you also said"the filter size really has nothing to do with how much oil can flow through it." Well a large filter usually has a larger diameter as well as length. Larger diameter allows for larger input/return hole diameters, well its like a garden hose or a fire hose. What one has less resistance? Ok, ok, but that was only with new unobstructed by all the dirt that was filtered, Lets take x amount of dirt. Put it in a large filter, and the same amount into a smaller one. Now the smaller one already has more restriction to start with, do I need to continue??
And finally "bigger oil filter doesn't get your oil any cleaner," true, but you know when the filter gets plugged, the oil is BYPASSED and doesn't even go through the filter!! so the actual filtering process of the two size filters remove the same particals, the smaller one will only remove much less than a larger one before they both are clogged.
"ford is giving you more than you need" And this is a bad thing because?? I always thought more was better? I don't remember the last time I or someone else said that a manufacturer gave them an engine wiith too much power!!
THATS MY .02
And finally "bigger oil filter doesn't get your oil any cleaner," true, but you know when the filter gets plugged, the oil is BYPASSED and doesn't even go through the filter!! so the actual filtering process of the two size filters remove the same particals, the smaller one will only remove much less than a larger one before they both are clogged.
"ford is giving you more than you need" And this is a bad thing because?? I always thought more was better? I don't remember the last time I or someone else said that a manufacturer gave them an engine wiith too much power!!
THATS MY .02
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when was the last time you tore apart a oil fiter and found stuff in it like you do a fuel filter......rarely ever the chances of that oil filter ever getting dirty enough in the oil change interval is slim to none. fuel has a larger oppertunity to get dirty. my point with the filter being bigger than you really need is that your oil is going to be dirty beyond the filters capicity to clean it. in which case ford is making you pay more in replacement costs then necessary as well as wasting resources.
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A bigger filter dosent necessarily have more filtering surface area.
Depending on brands, you can cut a large brand a filter open as well as a small brand b and unroll the media and in some cases brand b may contain more media that is more densly packed.
Fords filter argument is useless. Nissan has the smallest filter in the comapro but still the most powerful engine. Engine failure due to oil brand or filter size is extremely rare.
Routine mantinence is key.
Depending on brands, you can cut a large brand a filter open as well as a small brand b and unroll the media and in some cases brand b may contain more media that is more densly packed.
Fords filter argument is useless. Nissan has the smallest filter in the comapro but still the most powerful engine. Engine failure due to oil brand or filter size is extremely rare.
Routine mantinence is key.
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Was interesting watching it, BUT I have never seen a more biased show in my life.
They were very selective with choosing the opposition for each segment.
Why wasn't the Titan included in more comparisons?
I found it rather ironic when he said "Strength is manufactured in, not advertised on".
What is that show for then???
I still believe that the 04/05 F150 is the best built 1/2 ton TRUCK out there, but this kind of advertising lowers my opinion of it, drastically.
They were very selective with choosing the opposition for each segment.
Why wasn't the Titan included in more comparisons?
I found it rather ironic when he said "Strength is manufactured in, not advertised on".
What is that show for then???
I still believe that the 04/05 F150 is the best built 1/2 ton TRUCK out there, but this kind of advertising lowers my opinion of it, drastically.