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Impressive. However, don't you think that if they require 7 qts that they would have a filter porpotional to the amout of oil being filtered? Take a look at big rigs. Large displacement, large oil capacity, large oil filter. Now how about a 4 banger, small displacement, 4 quart oil cap., teeny tiny oil filter. Now how about Nissans "over engineered powertain," medium displacement, large oil cap., teeny tiny oil filter. This doesn't count as over engineered in my book.
I'm not Nissan fans, but c'mon guys, you can always just put a larger filter on or even get a relocation kit with dual filters. Filters don't give you more power, just add to the longevity of the engine. If they didn't do that, we wouldn't have oil filters at all.
You have a valid point, however, how many of the nissan's owners will actually do this. They could also change the oil evey 3000 miles or sooner, but I bet many of them don't. I mean they are probably appalled when they can't get the cheap oil change since it requires 7 quarts. They probably figure they can go longer since it has more oil. At least the engineers sympathized by putting a small cheap filter on it.
Being a DOHC, 7 quarts is probably the minimum that the 5.6 could get by with. As far as forged crankshafts, it doesn't seem like crankshafts problems are very common in any truck. I do think the Titan is probably the 2nd best truck overall. I'm pretty sure it has about as much torque down low as the 5.4. If you look at it's specs, it gets it's torque and HP at lower RPM's than the 5.4, so I feel it does have the better powertrain as far as performance is concerned.
The main problem with the F-150 is the 4-spd tranny. Dodge and Nissan both have more powerful motors in lighter trucks with more gears. The 5.4 gets it's peak HP, 300, at 5000 RPM's. Do you know what the redline of the 5.4 is? 5000 RPM's, and it seems that many people claim that it usually shifts before it even reaches that RPM. If they could give it one or two more gears and allow the motor to spin a few hundred RPM's past the redline, I would bet that you could cut close to a second off of it's quarter mile time.
I know that trucks aren't necisarily designed to run the 1/4 mile, and I feel that the F150 stacks up well when it has a load behind it. In several tests I've seen, it's low end shows off in towing comparisons. http://www.truckworld.com/Truck-Test...-4way-num.html
Notice that 0-30, with 4100 lbs behind it, the F150 was the quickest. If it had better gearing and was allowed to spin a bit higher, it would probably fair better once the other trucks reach their powerband. Also notice that it was 265 lbs heavier than the Titan, 306 lbs heavier than the Dodge, and 362 lbs heavier than the Chevy. The F150 does have a weight disadvantage, one of the drawbacks to being built stronger than the rest.
Does anyone know if the Titan requires premium fuel? I've done some searching and can't find it.
They should update that with the 2005 trucks. Note the 2004 F-150 tested only had 8200lb towing cap, instead of the 9900lb. The and the nissan is at 9400 instead of 9500. Now with that said, the F-150 should have better acceleration with the higher gears in the tow package. Not to mention that it is the heaviest and at the same time has the best fuel economy.
There seems to be a lot of confusion on this thread. A larger oil filter WILL make a difference, not in power, but in lubrication. The people that have posted againt using a larger filter dont seem to understand how an oil filter actually works. A larger quantity of oil can be moved through the filter, and clean the oil quicker. A smaller filter will always get clogged faster. If people keep to regular oil change intervals, the Fords filter will be more beneficial in the long run, no question.
Duramaximizer- Of course it was biased, it's a video made for Ford. They took center section of each frame. So that comparison was valid. A snowmobile frame rusting? You cant compare a snowmobile to a truck in any way. The frame was designed to last for a very long time. That arguement isnt very good for the simple reason that manufacturers have been using boxed frames for quite some time now, and there have been no outstanding rust issues from them.
It's been said many times before, that the F-150 would fair a lot better with a 5-speed. I think everyone knows this.
I dont understand this "It's foreign, so it has to be better" sort of attitude that a lot of people have. My Fords have always been better for me. I love the way they look, the feel, the capability, the reliability, everything. If anyone wants to fight the way I feel, go check out the Titam forums and youll soon discover that foriegn companies do have problems. It's in my opinion the F-150 is the best half-ton bar-none. Another gear, and we'd have aourselves a real performer too.
There also seems to be a lot of confusion about ...posting...When posting a reply that is directly above … THERE IS NO NEED TO USE THE QUOTE FUNCTION..
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What if Chevy, Dodge, Nissan or Toyota had made a similar video? It would be biased towards their brand wouldn't you think? Sure it would. No matter what you say or what you show in a video, you are not going to convert a Chevy driver to a Dodge or Ford or Toyota or Nissan. Goes for all makes of trucks.
Sure it would be biased, HOWEVER, facts are facts whether it is Ford, gm, dodge, toyota, etc. showing them. If a chevy video compares the oil filters of all 5 trucks, they will be showing you that yes indeed FORD has the largest oil filter. And yes FORD has the largest frame and towing cap. And yes it will also show that FORD has the largest and beefiest stock tow hooks ever put on a 1/2 ton. Ford is simply showing you facts. What you do with them or interpret them is totally up to you. I believe that FORD is not only the best overall built truck, but best overall because every detail of it is built the best. I mean if you don't see it this way, first, look at the facts, and second, why are you on a FORD TRUCK ENTHUSIAST site??
Not saying its better but i wonder why they didnt cut a titan frame section out?
Ford is braging about there boxed frame, 86.5 and newer nissan hardbody compacts have had boxed frames for years as well as all frontiers and continues to the titan.
That is one thing nissan does well and thats frames.
The 5.6 hasent been out very long but looking at nissan past reliability of previous motors, theres no reason to think the current 5.6 wont be reliable. Tiny oil filter or not, I know 2 people with 04 armadas that have both turned over 35k with no problems at all except for the known brake issues which is being addressed.
Sure it would be biased, HOWEVER, facts are facts whether it is Ford, gm, dodge, toyota, etc. showing them. If a chevy video compares the oil filters of all 5 trucks, they will be showing you that yes indeed FORD has the largest oil filter. And yes FORD has the largest frame and towing cap. And yes it will also show that FORD has the largest and beefiest stock tow hooks ever put on a 1/2 ton. Ford is simply showing you facts. What you do with them or interpret them is totally up to you. I believe that FORD is not only the best overall built truck, but best overall because every detail of it is built the best. I mean if you don't see it this way, first, look at the facts, and second, why are you on a FORD TRUCK ENTHUSIAST site??
I am on a Ford Enthusiasts site because by gosh I own a Ford. My point is that others have posted about the video only showning comparisons between the F-150 and certain models...not all.
No matter what you show to a die hard Chevy, Dodge, Nissan, and Toyota fan is going to convince them that a Ford is any better.
Case in point...I own Pearl Master's drums and no one will convince me that DW or Sonor is any better.
I know for a fact that, in my opinion, Ford builds a better, tougher truck. But do you think that if I show my friends that drive Chevy's that video that they will buy a Ford? No they won't.
Oh yeah....I owned a 1987 Nissan truck that had a "baby food jar" size oil filter that I sold with a 196k trouble free miles on it. I changed the oil every 3000 miles.....same thing I do to my FORD!!
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I know 35k is nothing! Im just saying at this point there dont seem to be any major mechanical flaws in this engine.
You can dog the filter all you want, the endurance 5.6 is better than the newest 5.4.
That 80% torque at 1000 rpm is useless. The 5.4 has good down low grunt but so does the nissan.
The ford falls on its its face when the revs get high and the nissan continues to build power to redline.
The 3 vlave 5.4 has yet to be proven as well. But chances are it will do great like prior generation tritons, i just hope it doenst spit any spark plugs out.
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I have worked for a few Oil change company's.. 7 years total and i have Never seen an oil filter clogged unless the oil had not been changed in a very long time. so all that just seems silly to me. and believe me.. i changed oil on almost every type
there is. from the well maintained to a car that was 5 years old and only had ONE oil change in its life.
me personally i prefer larger filters but as long as a filter does its job it really doesn't matter.
saying that smaller filters are not as good because they get clogged faster makes no sense. if you change your oil as your suppose to then you have no worries of a filter not doing its job.
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