WOW! Maybe I WILL get a tuner.

 

A few things I forgot to mention...

The SCP protocol is incompatible with the typical Worldwide Diagnostic System and New Generation Star tester software interfaces; normal technicians have no access to it (and I would venture to say most are unaware that it exists). Vic might have access to something capable of breaking into it, if we are lucky...I am patiently awaiting his response and input to my original post.

 

Has anyone ever played the MYST games? Challenging, aren't they? At least for the first guy to do the work and publish the answer book, that is. If it were me, I'd think a good way to handle this from an FMC view would be to encrypt a simple log.

The "aftermarket scan tools" would be FMC's by the way ... not diablo, scmt, etc. Ford is not interested in improving compatibility with those.

 

I am not sure I have any clue what you were just getting at...

 

Matt, pm'ed ya

 

PSD, thanks for the great info!
I do have one question, while the multiple computer mods cause the erasure isn't that in and of itself a telltail sign you have done something? Let's say on my '05 I have no history of any reflashes by the dealer, now all of a sudden my system shows a wipeout like you describe, won't they know as you do what caused it, or can the system do this to itself? I wonder if the field rep was alluding to Fords plan to fix that back door?

 

First of all...I really enjoy this forum and this site...it is nice to see people who are passionate regarding their Ford Products!

As far as the comment regarding the exhaust and turbo drone......service departments are like any retail business. Some are good, some mediocre and some are great. I know from the dealerships I have there are some that I would not take my personal vehicel to, and others that I have do all of the work on my vehicles.

That said...the majority of the dealerships have good qualified hard working technicians who take a lot of pride in their work. These guys go through alot of certification and training with Ford. In their defense the factory is constantly changing, updating, and make new repairs to the engines and other components of the vehicle. Most of these changes are from the feedback that the technicians provide the factory and engineers.

THese new engines are extremely complicated and have the computing power exceeding that of the original Apollo Space ship.......most of these guys are not "mechanics" anymore and are more "diagnostic/computer engineers! They have to have a great understanding of electrical and computer functions.

If you have a dealership that is not diagnosising your vehicle properly it is your responsibility to explain, demonstrate, and show the problem to the technician or the manager at the dealership. I get too many customers that say that get a certain noise or have a surge at this speed and I can't duplicate it, but they don't want to wait around and show me exactly what is happening.....CAN"T FIX IT IF WE CAN"T SEE/HEAR THE PROBLEM.

Again.......I think we have a great group of techs out there....it is getting harder and harder to find guy that want to get into working on these diesels because of the complexity of them.

Well...gotta go visit some dealers this morning...have a good day!

 

Thanks Matt...
rookie coders
only keeping one "backup"....
but again - it's a COST factor... exactly what we said in the beginning...
And I don't think it is a HUGE problem in that if you do this responsibly, like it really IS your daily driver, you won't hurt these things.... Mine has been bullet proof other than a few tweaks here and there that just HAPPEN to things...

but back to the backups....
Just like the simple daily backups some people do of their pc's to shared disk drives...
the backups are only good for one day... (really, one CYCLE)

if you don't discover the problem THAT day before the next cyclic backup...
your backup now contains the problem

therefore, you have no backup (at least a "good" one).... because you've overwritten the last "good" backup...

Am I completely confused now

 

The 1704 revs the 6.0 to 3900 on the tach (which reaches spikes to 4200 on the actual data acquisition) at WOT shift points with the performance file.

The economy file shifts a little lower (like 100 rpm lower) and the tow file shifts near the stock RPM shift point.
This is not your typical diesel engine and it LIKES to rev =o)

RED SOX WIN!!

Yankees
Cardinals:

 

Wow! Amazing info PSD. One question, does this include the "fueling boxes" like the Edge that do not plug into the port?

 

No; the boxes intercept the signal from the Powertrain control module to the Fuel injection control module, alter it to enhance the timing and pulsewidth, and send it on its way to the FICM. Since the FICM is a driver module, and does not have its own memory, the PCM is unaware that this is occuring and has no record of the events.

However, IMO the tuners do a far more thorough job in tuning, in comparison to the boxes...

 

Your responce was very informative.

I might add a little perspective.

To my understanding the first U.S. made vehicle that incorporated a data collecting system was the 1995 Oldsmobile Aurora. I only know this because I owned both a 95' and a 96' and was involved with Olds, dealing with the multiple issues of this new generation PC operated car. If you ever are around one of the early models you need only pull up the back seat were you will find multiple boxes nicely tucked away and thats not to mention the main brain box under the dash.

One of the key components of the entire system on the vehicle was the ability of factory representatives, not dealer reps, to download from the system a complete and accurate diagnostics of the vehicle. I believe it was for 60 or 90 days. This diagnostics even included miles driven, when, fastest speed, average speed, monitored fluid levels, etc.. Frankly it was a little un-nerving to see the amount of data collected.

In congress there are some committes that have evolved in the last two years to develop and study the type of information that the vehicle manufactures are gathering. Many manufactures would like to void warranties on vehicle for improper operation. For example driving the vehicle above the speed limit for excessive amounts of time, or race type starts and stops. The issue at hand is the "Big Brother" attitude and watch dog groups are concerned and now applying pressure to congress to enact protective laws.

I know that vehicle rental agencies are now including GPS and are tied into the vehicle monitoring systems with all there new models. They have included disclosure statments in the rental agreement that charges you a fine or additional fee for violating the terms listed. Speeding, racing, leaving a geographic area etc...

As both an industrial contractor and owner of a side-line speciality computer business it would be very simple for any of the manufacures to install a non-volatale module on any of there PC boards that would record any and all data changes to the EEPROM, and/or flash memory. We do it with our industrial product line equipment in certain circumstances. We can have our systems "phone home" with a history log, which lets us know if there was an end-user fault, ie failure to do a prescribed service/maintenance , or an actual component failure.

I have read on varies Ford Diesal posts and forums over the last six months on the issue of warranty voiding by Ford based on information they could gather from the BOX. I only posted the warning on this board after I had read the posts in this thread and the fact that the information came to me from a one of my club members who has information that I would consider very credible. He would'nt be blowing smoke to his local club members unless it was something to be seriously considered.

On another note, one of the other warnings I was both told and have read, was the fact that Ford was taking the issue of lifted trucks more seriously. That they have requested dealers to now take pictures of any lifted trucks so that the warranty can be voided on the drive train and that the infomation be incorporated into the Oasis report. I would be curious to know if they could download those pics into the Oasis report, and if not today, when?

 

PSD, you are completely wrong on several points. First of all, the KA RAM re-writes data to the PROM only when the Giga-driver effectively communicates with the hardware connector. Secondly, the interface device on the side of the backflow modulator clearly records all data feeds on the front-input column shifter. And thirdly, everyone knows that sunspots can alter the way the flux capacitor adjusts the tension on the piston return springs thereby indicating exactly what mods you have done to your truck so that all employees of FMC including the janitor at the dealership will have detailed information on this subject.

Let me just say that before I read your post, I thought of myself as a reasonably intelligent person. Maybe even highly intelligent. Of course, I base this on the caliber of people I surround myself with. You have pretty much shattered my self-confidence. I now see that I'm just an idiot. I can barely turn my computer on. I am surprisingly able to pronounce all of the words you used in your post, although I have no idea what the larger ones mean. In short, may I just say that I am proud to even be posting on the same site as you. Proud that I can even view the amazing amount of knowledge that you have, even though I can't begin to relate to most of it.

You are quite the exceptional human being. You give me hope for this new generation. You have single-handedly reset the dismal downtrend of the gene pool. Your parents must be very proud. From here on out I will ask your permission to call you Yoda, as it is the only person I can think of whose knowledge comes close to yours. Was Yoda a person? Perhaps Solomon would be more applicable.

Anyway, I'm through with this silly post and on my way to get a tuner. Whoever it was that started this thread should probably just disappear in light of what Solomon has given to us. Have a good Thursday, men.

 

:-x22 :-x22

 

DMGIFF - and from a 17 year old.

Awesome job PSD - Thanks for the enlightened, educated information.