Again, according to the ford rep Ford will not void your warranty for having the chip. They will however argue with you if you blow your motor or burn a turbo. He told me that where they are winning this argument at the moment is that they have a stack of files of trucks that have failed due to "upgrades" that they can match yours to. So, lets say you burn a turbo then go to the dealer and say "chip, what chip? They look at your PCM and see it has a 603/605 code and they say hmmmm, he must be fibbing. So then they look at the parts and all data from the PCM and match it to the stack of files that they already have and Bingo! It kind of comes down to looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, must be a duck! He also said that like all companies trying to sell something the tuner companies are not giving out the WHOLE truth. He went on to say "look, bottom line is that you paid a lot of money for your truck, it IS your truck and you can do whatever you want to it but you should be willing to take some responsability for what happens when you do. The biggest thing that I took away from this is here we are trying to hide something that WE are doing to our trucks so if they break we can make Ford pay to fix them. It made me think a little bit.....

 

Remember Daryl....Ohio is so flat you can watch your dog run away for 2 days...Bellefontaine Ohio is a hill, or a bump if you have been to the mountains.

1550 above sea level......I live at 780

 

[QUOTE=darylhunter]They've claimed that they don't leave any traces.

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Something in this thread just triggered my memory (senior moment). I had a SCMT on my 7.3 and was getting extreamly high EGT's empty. No weight but the truck. I sent it back to SC to be tested and recalibrated. They sent it back and the same thing was happening so I called and was told that because I was above 3000 feet that the egt temps were ok but if I was at sea level it would be a problem. I actually bought that line until just about 3 minutes ago when I said to myself, self, since when does altitude make a temp less hot??? It makes the air thinner but heat less, All righty then

The point behind this is they (all performance companies) claim alot to sell product but it is up to us to use common sense.

 

Darylhunter, Maxim had it right, 1550 ft. highest point between the Appalacian (sp?) mountains and the foothills of the Rockies. We used to have a radar base at Campbell hill (the actual highest point) when I was kid and always liked to watch the jets try to sneak up on the base. Seemed like treetop height back then. Got to remember just down the road from Bellefontaine is a ski slope. (Madriver Mountain) not very big as ski slopes go but this IS Ohio.

As far as tuners go I'm really in a quandry as to what to do......I'm anxiously waiting. Again hoping this thread is all a hoax, but probably not. Shut site down after my last post so didn't get post until this AM.


JB

 

Remember, it's only a problem if you have a problem !!!
(Does that sound like a Yogi Berra saying )


ONLY if you have to go in for warranty work FOR something that MAY be blamed on a tuner....

I've got 38K on mine and NO issues....
I would suggest you break in your truck normally and get past the "newlywed" period to determine if your truck has any "issues" to be taken care of.... after that go for it....

the differences are astounding...

 

I just had mine in this week for an oil leak - suspected rear main seal.

The service writer called and said that after diagnosis it was a rear main seal but when I picked the truck up last night the service invoice actually showed that the front cover gasket had been replaced?

I also mentioned that I was seeing a P0480 code being thrown every now and then. This is a cooling fan 1 control circuit error or something like that.

I had set my SCMT back to stock tune and run the truck for about two weeks before taking it in. No questions or problems came up due to the fact that I had once had a tuner installed.

Given that I had told them that the truck was throwing a code they would have hooked the diagnostic system and pulled all the codes from the computer. If they were looking for traces of a tuner so that any warranty work could be denied, this was their chance.

But either they didn't look, or they didn't find anything.

The technician had gone home by the time I got there to pick up the truck and the service writer was pretty clueless as to what was done for the P0480 error if anything so I have to call back next week. And time will tell if they fixed the leak.

But it was all covered under warranty.

 

When I bought my Edge I asked the guy that I got it from if I would have any warranty service problems and he said no. Cause the Edge is post PCM and they don't know its in there, on the diagonsis machine. He said they have them in all their shop trucks and have sold about 400-500 Edge's and has never heard a complaint about warranty work. He said reprogrammers will erase everything, and the Ford tech can see that something was done.
He might be feeding me full of poop just to make a sell. But I hope he's right.

 

Ok guys...

I'll spill the beef in the morning, I'm tired and headed to bed

I'd do it now but its gonna be a loooong post...

 

You have posted this earlier Curious how do you know Ford can do this, no layman terms.

 

How Ford can do what?

 

sorry tim i cant even translate what you are trying to ask.

 

These codes will appear if you clean your battery terminals or if the PCM fuse # 36 (on 2003 PSD)under the dash burns out.
The 2005 May be able to record a PCM reflash but that is yet to be proved or disproved.
There are some World Class Computer Geeks on this forum that have researched this so quit worrying about it. If anyone asks you to explain a p-603 code tell them you cleaned the battery terminals.
By the way, you can clear these codes with the Predator's code reading/clearing function.

 

Keep in mind also that anything that can be recorded can be erased. If you had any idea that you were going to be denied warranty service because of something recorded a slight misuse of a welding machine would turn the recording device into a lump of soder and plastic.

 

In my opinion the smart way to design & build the PCM would be to build it dump-capable at a level beyond normal maintenance, and not put this, or the tool out to the dealerships. There's a good reason for this. If the tech/dealership had full access, then absolutely everything could be reset or written over. Fomoco would have no possible method to ascertain a bottom line. Additionally, you may not always be able to completely trust what is being done at the dealership level (e.g. it's the Tech's buddy's truck, and the Tech is more loyal to the buddy). So if nothing else, it would seem to me to be prudent to have the capability, when needed, to come in with the correct know-all tool, and knowing the dates involved would be important as well. That would be important for any crucial claims.

Futhermore, the direction that manufacturers are taking ultimately is really to prevent bogus lawsuits, in which the driver was being stupid, and then wants to sue for $millions.

Just my opinion.

 

And you know this ?
or just surmising
or just "blowviating" - to coin a phrase

ANYTHING is possible - really it is... but...

Curious that the same company that would delete a $7 hood blanket, might consider spending a LOT of money - both hardware and software wise to do this....

an auto is a VERY hostile place for electronics...
heat, vibration, variations power levels... etc...

just wondering how much WOULD be done.... given the $$$$'s

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it don't happen