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Old Oct 31, 2004 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Choctaw Bob
I see what you mean. A stock 04 downpipe from Ford (with flange and all) would likely cost as much as the downpipe from motorhaven. Here in Dallas, gathering up the pipe and plate for the flange with the necessary bends so I could cut and weld sections together to duplicate the shape necessary to fit would be difficult and time consuming. I have build race car headers before and it really burns a lot of time if you are not set up with pieces of pipe, bender and plasma cutter or torch in your shop.

Sometimes spending a little more money up front can save a lot in time, money and aggravation. I hate to waste my money also, but it takes years of making bad decisions before I recognized that if careful, I can buy most parts cheaper than I can fabricate them myself.
Where I can save money and sometimes time is by gathering up parts I already have and buying a few more to put together a gizmo like the water injection kit. Like you, I have less than $100 new money in this.

I agree the stock exhaust will flow well. My power numbers on my gallery are as strong or stronger than any others I have seen with just the Predator and K&N FIPK. I don't know how much I can expect to pick up with an exhaust. The reason I hesitate to do install a aftermarket exhaust is because I like a quiet truck. The turbo whine would not bother me but I would hate a drone on a long trip.
PM me and you can have my 05 system that just came off---when they were put side by side the stock is about 20% smaller and has a lot more bends! It is sitting at well the stupid rules prevent me from telling you where but I will tell you where to go get it less the cat because the cat may have to go back on in a manner of speaking some day! My system had 400 miles on it when I took it off last week!
 
Old Nov 6, 2004 | 09:24 AM
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so how many actually have water inj on their 6.0? as long as this thread is, u may think we all do!!!haha but i am just wonderin.

i am 1
 
Old Nov 6, 2004 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Busa Dave
PM me and you can have my 05 system that just came off---when they were put side by side the stock is about 20% smaller and has a lot more bends! It is sitting at well the stupid rules prevent me from telling you where but I will tell you where to go get it less the cat because the cat may have to go back on in a manner of speaking some day! My system had 400 miles on it when I took it off last week!
Thanks but the improvement would hardly be worth the labor to me. When I change the exhaust, it will be $125 down pipe or a complete system. I'm having some health problems right now that prevent me from working on my truck.
Thanks anyway
 
Old Nov 17, 2004 | 06:09 PM
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i hope ur gettin better bob. havent heard much from ya for a long time.
 
Old Nov 17, 2004 | 08:09 PM
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Greetings BigHoss550, Choctaw Bob, and PSD 60L Fx4.

I don't know who deserves more kudos, you guys for keeping this thread going or me for reading the entire thing in one sitting!

I ventured over from the 7.3L forum in search of more info on the water/meth system. One of you guys I think threw a bone to us 7.3L guys about your thread. Although it ventured off topic a few times, there's a lot of good info in here.

PSD, sorry for your woes. Have you put the beast engine in yet? I wasn't sure if the one you've been talking about recently is your "stock" engine that you've played with a little or the one you sent off to be built.

My Predator has 4 hp settings. On the 60hp setting, from a stop and at WOT, I am pushing 1250 by 70mph. Needless to say, I can't even think about the 85 or 100+ settings. This is what has led me on my journey for lower EGT's.

I have:
4" exhaust w/ downpipe
AFE Intake
Banks Turbo Wheel
A few other enhanced breathing options

I was going to go w/ the BBturbo, but my $$'s have been restricted due to my other toys needing some work. I was looking at the kit from DPS. I know I can build one cheaper, but I'd rather just get the whole kit in one place and be done w/ it.

Here's my dilemma. I'm already pushing 30psi through my turbo and it's my understanding that the factory Garrett won't take much more than that. I know if I go to a hotter tune(that's why I want the lower EGT's), the boost will probably go up a few psi due to that and also a few psi due to the water/meth. I won't be attempting any top speed runs like the Carolina Kid, but I do enjoy laying into it from time to time.

Are any of you guys running your factory turbo, and do you know what psi they are rated?

Any thoughts or ideas or any anything you've heard from others would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Neil
 
Old Nov 17, 2004 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by bighoss550
i hope ur gettin better bob. havent heard much from ya for a long time.
Thanks Big! I'm doing much better lately. Thanks for asking! Going deer hunting tomorrow for a week so I'll be in the woods! See you later!
 
Old Nov 17, 2004 | 09:35 PM
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wow great thread.....

quick question.... is the water injection ment to be something used all of the time???? and does it effect towing at all????
 
Old Nov 17, 2004 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by CampoRoofSuperD
wow great thread.....

quick question.... is the water injection ment to be something used all of the time???? and does it effect towing at all????
It can be used all the time (as long as you are boosted at heavy throttle; the flow should be somewhat proportional to boost) if you have a big enough tank. As for towing, it is one of the single best enhancements (along with a mild chip/module) for that purpose, thanks to the significant EGT drop. Most of the systems are rated to drop EGT's up to 300 degree's; Kent and I are seeing close to 400 degree temp drops when properly mixed and iced...
 
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Old Nov 17, 2004 | 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by nhancock
Greetings BigHoss550, Choctaw Bob, and PSD 60L Fx4.

I don't know who deserves more kudos, you guys for keeping this thread going or me for reading the entire thing in one sitting!

I ventured over from the 7.3L forum in search of more info on the water/meth system. One of you guys I think threw a bone to us 7.3L guys about your thread. Although it ventured off topic a few times, there's a lot of good info in here.

PSD, sorry for your woes. Have you put the beast engine in yet? I wasn't sure if the one you've been talking about recently is your "stock" engine that you've played with a little or the one you sent off to be built.

My Predator has 4 hp settings. On the 60hp setting, from a stop and at WOT, I am pushing 1250 by 70mph. Needless to say, I can't even think about the 85 or 100+ settings. This is what has led me on my journey for lower EGT's.

I have:
4" exhaust w/ downpipe
AFE Intake
Banks Turbo Wheel
A few other enhanced breathing options

I was going to go w/ the BBturbo, but my $$'s have been restricted due to my other toys needing some work. I was looking at the kit from DPS. I know I can build one cheaper, but I'd rather just get the whole kit in one place and be done w/ it.

Here's my dilemma. I'm already pushing 30psi through my turbo and it's my understanding that the factory Garrett won't take much more than that. I know if I go to a hotter tune(that's why I want the lower EGT's), the boost will probably go up a few psi due to that and also a few psi due to the water/meth. I won't be attempting any top speed runs like the Carolina Kid, but I do enjoy laying into it from time to time.

Are any of you guys running your factory turbo, and do you know what psi they are rated?

Any thoughts or ideas or any anything you've heard from others would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Neil
I'll email you by tomorrow...
 
Old Nov 17, 2004 | 10:30 PM
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cool thanks for the reply... sounds like something im going to look into.... im only at page 10 of 48...lol...

thanks

kevin
 
Old Nov 17, 2004 | 11:37 PM
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im still reading all the way through this thread... quick question is this sytem used all times at all throttle positions, or it is a WOT thing like nitrous????

If it is something that is supposed to be used at WOT what are you guys using in your homemade kits to regulate this????

sorry if this is a reapeat in the thread, i just havnt gotten to it...

thanks

kevin
 
Old Nov 18, 2004 | 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by CampoRoofSuperD
im still reading all the way through this thread... quick question is this sytem used all times at all throttle positions, or it is a WOT thing like nitrous????

If it is something that is supposed to be used at WOT what are you guys using in your homemade kits to regulate this????

sorry if this is a reapeat in the thread, i just havnt gotten to it...

thanks

kevin
We use a valve that opens at an adjustibal boost rate ands gives us pressurer as we need . We try to run it at near WOT with load which gives us the highest EGTs that we can put out with the alchol. As the EGTs drop belo normal, we don;t need ir any longer.
 
Old Nov 18, 2004 | 12:31 AM
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i read some more and answered my own question.... thanks...

basicly this is like a fogger nitrous system... but spraying water instead of nitrous.. but obviously a different outcome...and different purpose...

thanks for the great info

kevin
 
Old Nov 18, 2004 | 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by CampoRoofSuperD
i read some more and answered my own question.... thanks...

basicly this is like a fogger nitrous system... but spraying water instead of nitrous.. but obviously a different outcome...and different purpose...

thanks for the great info

kevin
Exactly correct. In fact, I use a fogger nozzle. The water/alcohol lowers the intake charge temp and makes more power while it cools it!
 
Old Nov 18, 2004 | 06:50 AM
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Exactly correct. In fact, I use a fogger nozzle. The water/alcohol lowers the intake charge temp and makes more power while it cools it!
Happy to see you hanging out with us Bob
 



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