I can't wait for the circus to come back to town. They cause quite a stir in this small town. I don't understand what they think they are proving by putting an attractive young lady painted like a tiger in a little cage. I think someone sould dump a bucket of blood on her for looking like a tiger in cage...its not like she would have anywhere to run.

 

This the only thing they do that I like

Hey! I think I see a trend here. Naked girls in a cage painted like tigers, protesting deer hunting outside of strip joints . . .

 

lmao- pretty good deduction rlh //yes we are running a painted girl strip joint that caters to deerhunters and is regulated by peta.

 

i see what these people are protesting aobut to a point. I dont really agree with testing chemicals on animals... oh lets see how this horse will react if we feed her 60 gallons of paint thinner... oh man who would have thought, it killed her.
people who abuse their animals i put in line with spouse/child abusers. these fraternitys that are in the news lately for beating a goose to death and dropping a puppy off a bridge should pay.
maybe not so much with money or jail time.. but i think the fraternity should be shut down and the people responsible should be kicked out of the school.
i once worked with a guy who was arrested for burning a chicken alive. the chicken had gotten loose out of some farmers truck apparently. he caught the thing and trapped it under a shopping basket- put lighter fluid on it then lit it on fire... yeah thats real cute... who could find somthing like this funny?
i'm sure the chicken would have eventuly been killed and fried up anyways, but cutting its head off is a bit more humane than just lighting it on fire.

another story that i'm not too thrilled to tell is about a canoe trip we took in arkansas. we came up on a local fair type thing and they were making fresh pork rinds ( for yall yanks that dont know what that is... its fried pig skin... very tasty) well they smelled very good, but then they started another batch. if you are an animal lover you should just skip this part and go to the next paragraph. they strung a live pig from a tree directly over a deep fat fryer. cut the pig and skinned him alive right over the fryer. the skin would fall right into the fryer. the poor pig made the most gut wrenching scream i have ever heard. i was througly disgusted.

i do i love hunting and fishing. when i kill an animal i feel that it is a part of nature for things to kill and eat eachother. i am and will always be a meat eater. for me, nothing beats a nice thick and juicy ribeye. or baby back ribs. yummy

people have been wearing animal furs since the age of man. i'm sure the quality has risen some from goat or rat pelts to mink.. but still its all the same. fur coats are warm.. thats the whole purpose of wearing them.

i dont at all agree with most of the things the green peace hippies or peta clowns do.

c'mon do you really think if you light all the hummers and h-2's on fire GM will just stop making them??? I love my 5 mpg gass hogg... i'd cherish the opertunity to plow over one of them fruitcakes....

-just my thoughts.
Brian

 

It seems like every day i have another reason to not eat swine, i might limit the eating of it to holidays only. but then again a ham sandwich sounds really good right now.

 

I understan not wanting to be cruel to animals but i have heard from very reliable people that they {peta} go into the woods and shoot at people while their hunting,not to kill but to scare hunters by pelleting them with shotgun shell shot from a distance.

 

I tell you what,If i'm in the woods hunting'and someone starts shooting at me,for whatever reason,I will shoot back,and not shoot to scare anyone either.!

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Brian_Puff
i see what these people are protesting aobut to a point. I dont really agree with testing chemicals on animals... oh lets see how this horse will react if we feed her 60 gallons of paint thinner... oh man who would have thought, it killed her.

Testing chemicals/experimental drugs on animals is extremely important. Much of the animal testing is done to evaluate the effects of experimental drugs prior to human testing. Would you rather that experimental drugs be tested directly on humans and skip the animal testing phase? I wouldn't.
Your horse scenario was totally unrealistic and does nothing but further misconceptions on animal testing as perpetuated by PETA clowns. You don't want to reinforce their attempts to paint a false imprssion, do you?

 

My father was a part-time game warden in NJ back in the 60's. He told me stories of deerjackers shooting at them when spooked. His philosophy was to send 3 shots back for every one coming his way.

 

I was refering to the PETA people shooting at me.We don't have any of those wackos up here that I am aware of.Game Wardens have a very dangerous job.I have been hunting for about 30 plus years around here and never met a warden in the woods.I have met them on tote roads,but never following me.They tend to wait until someone comes out of the woods,so I would't expect one to be shooting at me.I'm not sure how I would react,but I feel that if i shot someone who was shooting at me it would certainally be self defence.My first instinct would be to run like heck and hope the mess in my pants didn't slow me down.lol.

 

jp..,

the impressions i am painting are not false, or not to far from true maybe. they dont do testing on horses, ok. but they still do cruel tests on dogs cats rabbits mice rats etc.

part of their tests are to see what the lethal dose of a chemical it. they will make an animal eat or they will inject however much of a certian chemical into an animal to see how much it takes to kill 50 of them. chemicals such as bleach, ammonia, cleaners, perfumes, shampoo, soap... you name it.

those same chemicals are also put into the eyes to see how much it takes to cause blindness.

so your telling me that you have no problem with someone putting dish soap or raid in a dogs eyes just to see what happens?

if the scientist used their brains instead of following "tradition" they could save alot of inhumane treatment.
some things are different than others. sure testing shampoo on dogs to see how well it coats ther hair is one thing... if these dogs are like my dogs they probally love it.

 

Brian_Puff,

The use of animals in research is highly regulated. Over 99% of it is done using ratsor mice to determine carcigenicity and determine LD50s of pesticides. Many of the protocols are specified by the FDA, EPA and USDA.

I do question the amount of testing done by the cosmetic industry but that has decreased dramatically over the past 10 years.

 

Cosmetic testing typically involves shaving a patch of fur off and applying the cosmetic. They are loking for topical allergic responses.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Brian_Puff
jp..,

the impressions i am painting are not false, or not to far from true maybe. they dont do testing on horses, ok. but they still do cruel tests on dogs cats rabbits mice rats etc.

part of their tests are to see what the lethal dose of a chemical it. they will make an animal eat or they will inject however much of a certian chemical into an animal to see how much it takes to kill 50 of them. chemicals such as bleach, ammonia, cleaners, perfumes, shampoo, soap... you name it.

Lethal doses are important to know so that we can judge the severity of potential human exposure to a chemical and determine the proper treatment after human exposure. There's no a priori human owner's manual that has the potential effect of every chemical listed on it . They are determined through animal testing and they are only guestimates at that.


those same chemicals are also put into the eyes to see how much it takes to cause blindness.

so your telling me that you have no problem with someone putting dish soap or raid in a dogs eyes just to see what happens?

I can assure you that nobody puts dish soap or Raid in a dog's eyes just for S&G's.

if the scientist used their brains instead of following "tradition" they could save alot of inhumane treatment.
some things are different than others. sure testing shampoo on dogs to see how well it coats ther hair is one thing... if these dogs are like my dogs they probally love it.

They do use their brains; that's why they do animal testing and NOT human testing first.

 

The thing is there are some drugs used on animals that cannot be used on people. When the vet was doing some work on our deer Sydney that broke a shoulder blade I asked him what the human analogue of the drug rhompin or rompin he used to knock Sydney out with was and he said there wasn't one, it'll kill humans in very small doses.
He gave me a rundown of a number of common Vet drugs that humans cannot tolerate. on the other hand you cannot give some common human medications to some animals. If I remember right you can kill cats with aspirin but on the other hand even a small ruminant requires a huge amount of asprin to be effective. You cannot completely test drugs on animals, sooner or later you have to test them on a human.
Personally I think child molesters, rapists and a few other would be prime candidates, oh and lawyers.