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Allow me to retort.
Whoever is buying an HD/SD vehicle with ride quality as a significant factor, should probably be looking elsewhere. The SD that will replace my K2500 has a much smoother ride and I couldn't care less. I hope the drivetrain will be as reliable as the one I've lived with and abused for 25 years. I have no expectations to the contrary and I don't blindly advocate for any particular brand. It is counter-intuitive to posit that GM has designed an HD axle/suspension that does not adequately deal with input torque ratings of the engines they offer. Who would intentionally create warranty and brand image problems? It may be fair to say that an SFA SD has higher capacities and longevity versus an IFS HD, but who cares if both meet the owners expectations?
If you are actually towing a 25000 gooseneck up an 8% logging road, I wouldn't put that out on a forum where Ford could see it unless you were using something beyond an F450. I personally live on a very steep hill. My driveway is 200+ ft and ranges between 20-90% of grade. 150 ft of that is 70-90%. My old IFS truck has managed to scale it many thousands of times (often overloaded) without incident or chewing any of its delicate internals to tasty metallic bits. I expect the new SD will be equally competent. Though I am mildly concerned about the rear axle issues that are appearing.
I'm not sure how the analytical capacity of a child is relevant to your assertions.
My argument was that the SD Dana 60 is a stronger setup. Saying the other design is 'good enough' based on anecdotes really doesn't counter my claim. Some care about ride or handling quality, some want the truck that can run 40s and play around in the rocks and that's perfectly normal.
Pick what you think is best.
I thought a derivative of the "child's play" idiom would make it clear that simply looking at the TC size difference is an easy task as to which is stronger. Take both apart, you'll find a wider drive chain, larger bearings, more planetary pinions as well as a larger yoke on the drive shaft.
Many other people look at all these truck facets when deciding to purchase.
ya ive seen that vid. not impessed. the king coilover setup would have significantly reduced the impact force to the axle housing when the truck landed. aside from the obvious bent bumper, leaking coolant and broke fender, they had no interest in examining for other damage, even for curiousity sake. that the truck could still move under its own power afterwards seems to be their only requirment.
the only truck ive ever been thoroughly impressed with is this bone stock toyota. to see it still runs and drives quit well after what they put it through is remarkable
So if the same kid put a different truck through the same abuse, then must be impressed. You make this too easy:
I have a 2020 Chevy 2500 LTZ with the new 6.6 as a company truck. Have 37k on It now. Just mounted up my second set if KO2’s. Drive it all over the west with a shell and 2k of stuff in the back. It’s the nicest truck I’ve ever had. The new engine rips. The way I use it, I never think “this transmission sucks” or anything like that. It’s incredibly powerful and smooth. Also comfortable to drive. Good mileage. 14 at 80mph and NFG.
The bad: doors/skin is thin and easy to dent. The are also built differently where they slam easier and the windows shake over wash board.
I have a 2022 CCLB f350 7.3 coming as a personal truck. I chose the ford because of the more powerful engine, and the 10 spd. I also think ford longbeds look better than the Chevy.
Remember those days as a kid when you had the near death experience of riding in your Radio Flyer Wagon down a hill as you hung on for dear life as the handle jerked violently back and forth? Isn’t it exciting that Ford brings that feeling to it’s customers in the form of the death wobble? My f350 is almost two years old with 18k miles and I am beginning to feel the signs of what is coming in the future. At first I was considering going back to GMC as I couldn’t believe a truck manufacturer could be so incompetent but then I realized it was a feature that Ford owners enjoy.
Oh yes, I did receive a letter that Ford would replace the steering components with the same worthless design but why would I want to delay the feeling of almost crashing on a daily basis.
Chevy, GM, Toyota also have the same experience, not that uncommon with 4 wheel drive. Its "Chevy Shake" on the Chevy's.
Did someone say “CHEVY’S WINDOWS SHAKE OVER WASHBOARD”. All four of my 2022 super cab’s doors shake so bad over washboards from the harsh ride, I thought they were going to fall off.
it didnt do to bad but in one of the first videos after they got the truck , before they started really abusing it the meathead kid said he felt the front driveshaft flopping around. he also put in the description it failed. i think it may have still been connected at both ends and the engine torq just destroyed the splines , im not sure.
toyota had bent leafs but the drivetrain never broke or quit working. they also drove it over 3mi out of the desert with little to no coolant and the engine was still running. its a shame those idiots dropped it from the air directly on its nose and finally killed it. i would of kept putting it through more torture test to see how much farther it could of went
Can't initiate a regen manually on a 2021 Chevy unless it's been modified. Being that it was a rental, I doubt it was modified. I've had both Ford and GM and the regen on either is only noticeable if you're trying to find it. A slightly higher idle, hotter exhaust. Going down the road, nope...unless looking at instant MPGs.
Maybe it was a 2020 model. Dont know and do not care, the truck was junk.
I think folks tend to fall into 'confirmation bias' pretty well on these forums. Naturally the vast majority of folks on a Ford forum are going to sing praises on Ford. Same for Ram. Same for GM.
I had a 2015 Silverado 3500 dually High Country with the LML duramax. Was a fantastic truck. I put 50k on it before deciding I didn't want a dually in Seattle anymore. In the time I had it I took it in for the fuel level sender and the high frequency antenna going out. But that's it. Front end tracked perfectly, wasn't wearing tires weird. Nothing weird at all. Ran great and pulled great.
I traded it for a 2018 Ram 2500 Cummins. The truck wasn't bad, but it wasn't great. Shame on me for getting the 2500 with auto level air suspension. The suspension control module died on me mid-trip and left me stranded. I hated how the 68RFE trans and bad gearing choice FCA made on the truck made it always feel lugged. You had to lockout sixth any time the trailer was attached, or it would hunt gears constantly. Got crap mileage towing too, like 10 mpg with a 7,000 trailer.
Lots of folks will argue for days that the solid axle D60 is "more better" than IFS. I think more people have a death wobble truck than we see on here. I can't find any news feed videos or pages of forum responses on the supposed 'weak' IFS GM trucks falling apart like folks on here claim they are. People aren't threatening class action lawsuits against GM for front ends disintegrating. Again, I put 50k miles on mine towing a triple axle toyhauler and was still on the original tires, and never touched the front end at all, not once, for anything. Given, I don't have a youtube channel where I jump and bash on $80k trucks all day. I work for my money, and take care of my vehicles.
Over on the Ram/Cummins forums they are still going on and on about the Ford and GM 'fad' 10 speed transmissions. Who could possibly need more than six gears! How pointless!
I am once again in a GM truck, this time I ended up with a 2022 Denali Dually and I love it. I personally feel the GMC truck looks pretty sharp too. The camera system on the Denali puts the 2021 F350 to shame. Night and day difference. My first thought on the Ford was "what a friggin waste of money this was" The IFS front suspension doesn't only make it ride nicer on the road, it handles curves with the trailer in tow better as well. No more white knuckle potholes in the middle of a sharp bend dragging $15k lbs at 60 mph. The best part is I sleep much better at night knowing I don't have a weak piece of garbage rear axle with chicken snot welds on this truck. Not to say GM would handle a major recall any differently. But for me, I couldn't live with the Ford band-aid B.S. repair going down the road with my family and trailer in tow.
Didn't notice much out of the ordinary in the clips. Likely an issue with that particular truck if you heard something else. Not normal, not widespread. Besides, that's a pre-2020 truck in the videos. All of them have an elevated idle during regens and maybe a little more fan noise. Either way, any of them from any manufacturer can have issues or be a lemon. However, the vast majority are trouble free with only needing routine maintenance, regardless of brand.
Well said. It’s hard for me to wrap my mind around some peoples tribalism.
I’ve had years and years of success with GM HD trucks. Hope my 2022 F350 holds up to the hype.
Originally Posted by jharp
I think folks tend to fall into 'confirmation bias' pretty well on these forums. Naturally the vast majority of folks on a Ford forum are going to sing praises on Ford. Same for Ram. Same for GM.
I had a 2015 Silverado 3500 dually High Country with the LML duramax. Was a fantastic truck. I put 50k on it before deciding I didn't want a dually in Seattle anymore. In the time I had it I took it in for the fuel level sender and the high frequency antenna going out. But that's it. Front end tracked perfectly, wasn't wearing tires weird. Nothing weird at all. Ran great and pulled great.
I traded it for a 2018 Ram 2500 Cummins. The truck wasn't bad, but it wasn't great. Shame on me for getting the 2500 with auto level air suspension. The suspension control module died on me mid-trip and left me stranded. I hated how the 68RFE trans and bad gearing choice FCA made on the truck made it always feel lugged. You had to lockout sixth any time the trailer was attached, or it would hunt gears constantly. Got crap mileage towing too, like 10 mpg with a 7,000 trailer.
Lots of folks will argue for days that the solid axle D60 is "more better" than IFS. I think more people have a death wobble truck than we see on here. I can't find any news feed videos or pages of forum responses on the supposed 'weak' IFS GM trucks falling apart like folks on here claim they are. People aren't threatening class action lawsuits against GM for front ends disintegrating. Again, I put 50k miles on mine towing a triple axle toyhauler and was still on the original tires, and never touched the front end at all, not once, for anything. Given, I don't have a youtube channel where I jump and bash on $80k trucks all day. I work for my money, and take care of my vehicles.
Over on the Ram/Cummins forums they are still going on and on about the Ford and GM 'fad' 10 speed transmissions. Who could possibly need more than six gears! How pointless!
I am once again in a GM truck, this time I ended up with a 2022 Denali Dually and I love it. I personally feel the GMC truck looks pretty sharp too. The camera system on the Denali puts the 2021 F350 to shame. Night and day difference. My first thought on the Ford was "what a friggin waste of money this was" The IFS front suspension doesn't only make it ride nicer on the road, it handles curves with the trailer in tow better as well. No more white knuckle potholes in the middle of a sharp bend dragging $15k lbs at 60 mph. The best part is I sleep much better at night knowing I don't have a weak piece of garbage rear axle with chicken snot welds on this truck. Not to say GM would handle a major recall any differently. But for me, I couldn't live with the Ford band-aid B.S. repair going down the road with my family and trailer in tow.
I think folks tend to fall into 'confirmation bias' pretty well on these forums. Naturally the vast majority of folks on a Ford forum are going to sing praises on Ford. Same for Ram. Same for GM.
I had a 2015 Silverado 3500 dually High Country with the LML duramax. Was a fantastic truck. I put 50k on it before deciding I didn't want a dually in Seattle anymore. In the time I had it I took it in for the fuel level sender and the high frequency antenna going out. But that's it. Front end tracked perfectly, wasn't wearing tires weird. Nothing weird at all. Ran great and pulled great.
I traded it for a 2018 Ram 2500 Cummins. The truck wasn't bad, but it wasn't great. Shame on me for getting the 2500 with auto level air suspension. The suspension control module died on me mid-trip and left me stranded. I hated how the 68RFE trans and bad gearing choice FCA made on the truck made it always feel lugged. You had to lockout sixth any time the trailer was attached, or it would hunt gears constantly. Got crap mileage towing too, like 10 mpg with a 7,000 trailer.
Lots of folks will argue for days that the solid axle D60 is "more better" than IFS. I think more people have a death wobble truck than we see on here. I can't find any news feed videos or pages of forum responses on the supposed 'weak' IFS GM trucks falling apart like folks on here claim they are. People aren't threatening class action lawsuits against GM for front ends disintegrating. Again, I put 50k miles on mine towing a triple axle toyhauler and was still on the original tires, and never touched the front end at all, not once, for anything. Given, I don't have a youtube channel where I jump and bash on $80k trucks all day. I work for my money, and take care of my vehicles.
Over on the Ram/Cummins forums they are still going on and on about the Ford and GM 'fad' 10 speed transmissions. Who could possibly need more than six gears! How pointless!
I am once again in a GM truck, this time I ended up with a 2022 Denali Dually and I love it. I personally feel the GMC truck looks pretty sharp too. The camera system on the Denali puts the 2021 F350 to shame. Night and day difference. My first thought on the Ford was "what a friggin waste of money this was" The IFS front suspension doesn't only make it ride nicer on the road, it handles curves with the trailer in tow better as well. No more white knuckle potholes in the middle of a sharp bend dragging $15k lbs at 60 mph. The best part is I sleep much better at night knowing I don't have a weak piece of garbage rear axle with chicken snot welds on this truck. Not to say GM would handle a major recall any differently. But for me, I couldn't live with the Ford band-aid B.S. repair going down the road with my family and trailer in tow.
hope you have better luck than I had with my 2020 GMC 3500. It has been in the shop 68 days this year. 2 rear ends, steering shaft, brakes, leaking rear window x2 (failed again right after 2nd attempt to fix)
i really liked the truck, but was over it. hopefully i didn't make a mistake 🤷🏻♂️
i have never had an issue with the GM IFS. although, broken UCAs are still an issue for some. tie rods are can be an issue. alignments are a pain in the rear...
So now driving on the highway pulling a big trailer is the test of a HD 4x4 trucks front suspension durability? Let's set a really low bar so we can brag about how we surpassed a really low expectation...
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