EV Charger Cost
Fleet Mechanic
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From: Mooresville, NC
Of course Ford is going to gouge the living daylights out of people (if you dig deep into their numbers they're actually close to bankruptcy in spite of the fact their stock is way up).
Moving up to improved chargers / outlets is something any licensed electrician can do in his/her sleep. (I've personally done 10s or more in shops, garages, etc) --- be mindful of voltage drops, read the NEC (Nat'l Elec Code), pay attention to local codes, and always go the GFCI route on double poles. Also run tests on your ground setup.
Moving up to improved chargers / outlets is something any licensed electrician can do in his/her sleep. (I've personally done 10s or more in shops, garages, etc) --- be mindful of voltage drops, read the NEC (Nat'l Elec Code), pay attention to local codes, and always go the GFCI route on double poles. Also run tests on your ground setup.
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From: Sportsman's Paradise
Of course Ford is going to gouge the living daylights out of people (if you dig deep into their numbers they're actually close to bankruptcy in spite of the fact their stock is way up).
Moving up to improved chargers / outlets is something any licensed electrician can do in his/her sleep. (I've personally done 10s or more in shops, garages, etc) --- be mindful of voltage drops, read the NEC (Nat'l Elec Code), pay attention to local codes, and always go the GFCI route on double poles. Also run tests on your ground setup.
Moving up to improved chargers / outlets is something any licensed electrician can do in his/her sleep. (I've personally done 10s or more in shops, garages, etc) --- be mindful of voltage drops, read the NEC (Nat'l Elec Code), pay attention to local codes, and always go the GFCI route on double poles. Also run tests on your ground setup.
Cargo Master
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From: N. Illinois
The charger is included with the truck. The only added cost is having it hooked up by an electrician to your home so how does that equate to "Ford gouging the living daylights out of people"? Are you suggesting Ford will go over to peoples homes and over charge them to connect these free chargers?
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From: Isanti, MN
Regardless, they are the only OEM to include an 80A charger with every long-range model. My car came with a 32A cable, which is pretty standard. That's hardly "gouging the living daylights out of people." Nope, just like trucks have done for years, the only folks being "gouged" are those opting for the highest trim levels at a substantial premium to the lower models. And the huge profits from the luxury trucks drive the costs down for people like me who shop on the lower end of the spectrum. Pretty standard marketing, and it's worked well for years. Just like virtually every other automaker.
Cargo Master
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From: N. Illinois
I know I found the $1000 through fords website. I’ll look and see if I can find it.
Cargo Master
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Kind of depressed now. Talked to a friend who has a Tesla. He says count on 60% of the mileage in the months using heat. That’s about 6 months a year in the midwest. 300 slated miles becomes 180 miles. Ugh. Maybe I’ll need to go for the hybrid first.
Fleet Mechanic
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From: Utica, Nebraska
I still think more should be looked into with fuel cell and hydrogen powered engines. Need more options I think than just solely depending on a battery pack.
Cargo Master
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From: N. Illinois
As long as your live and work close to a Ford dealer and don't have the better charger available, should be close enough by to have it charged there for a bit...if that's even possible.
I still think more should be looked into with fuel cell and hydrogen powered engines. Need more options I think than just solely depending on a battery pack.
I still think more should be looked into with fuel cell and hydrogen powered engines. Need more options I think than just solely depending on a battery pack.
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Also comparing a Tesla to a Ford is apples/oranges, just have to wait and see what comes off the assembly line.
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In one range comparison I saw on Youtube, they compare a Mach E against the Model Y. The Ford came far closer to the rated range on the exact same trip; they drove it in both cars together. My car won’t get 240 miles at highway speeds, but lots of competitors with similar ratings will. I wouldn’t let that bother you, from my understanding their range estimates are low, assuming you’re carrying a load.
Fleet Mechanic
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From: Utica, Nebraska
I was a sophomore in high school when the Tesla Roadster was becoming more popular in 2008. That had a max speed of about 125mph and range of around 240 miles. It was built on I believe the Lotus Exige chassis and body. That was about 13 years ago now.
I bet if Ford wanted to or customers wanted, they would put in an extra 400lb battery pack under the hood (I refuse to call it a Frunk), to get additional range. You have the bed of the truck and cab for groceries. I'm sure that could be worth an additional 100 miles or so.
Cargo Master
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From: N. Illinois
I’ve had a LOT of Ford trucks. Many F-150’s, and boatload of diesel Superduties. I bought my current 3.0L Stroke as an experiment because so many poo pooed the idea of a baby diesel. I figured it was just what I needed. It has been flawless, and handles everything I toss at it. ANY type of driving yields a solid 6mpg minimum over any gasser offered in the F-150. To date, my mpg still offsets the extra cost in fuel. As a daily driver, it’s the best option right now, but I think the Lightning could easily replace it as a daily driver… not my tow vehicle or long distance vehicle.
My problem is I rack up mileage too fast, and paying my current truck off before buying the electric to save me some cash in fuel, is about impossible. I’m hopeful the mileage is finally released at closer to 400, which could make me really think. Based on initial figures, I could save over $300 month in fuel alone. That adds up over 5 years as a down payment when I reach 200k on the ticker. A comparable gasser offers no savings in fuel over my 3.0L.
My problem is I rack up mileage too fast, and paying my current truck off before buying the electric to save me some cash in fuel, is about impossible. I’m hopeful the mileage is finally released at closer to 400, which could make me really think. Based on initial figures, I could save over $300 month in fuel alone. That adds up over 5 years as a down payment when I reach 200k on the ticker. A comparable gasser offers no savings in fuel over my 3.0L.
Cargo Master
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Math differs by individual, but another electrical service for my workshop (I had a power pole placed with outdoor outlets first so I'd have site power for welding during construction) worked out great and will have plenty of charging capacity come BEV time As the saying goes with welders, ya can't select amps your machine won't produce. It was about three grand but that's pocket change compared to a new truck and wonderfully useful. The monthly power bill for the shop is trivial even when welding heavily and running air compressors while my existing maxed out home service was undisturbed. If I want power at my other shop I won't hesitate to place another pole with panel. It would be nice to have a forest of them.
Range will improve because truck buyers love range and battery tech will continue to get better. A BEV truck/additional service/workshop powered by that service could be a sweet combo for many people and a shop is a good location for a backup genset or engine-driven welder with healthy output.
Range will improve because truck buyers love range and battery tech will continue to get better. A BEV truck/additional service/workshop powered by that service could be a sweet combo for many people and a shop is a good location for a backup genset or engine-driven welder with healthy output.
Logistics Pro
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From: Morgan Hill, CA
As someone who's had 2 plug in Fords to date, and has the Mach-E Performance Edition on order, here's a few things that I think have been missed in this thread.
1. Not going to the gas station every week, or twice a week and operating that grimy, sometimes slow, and sometimes barely functional gas pump is a game changer. Get out, plug in, carry on.
2. The 120V chargers are a non starter, but you don't have to go maxing out your panel either. I have a Clipper Creek 32A 240V charger and don't plan on upgrading when I get the Mach. 32A will give me 200 miles in 8 hours, I think. Plenty for my use case.
3. Cold weather will murder your range. Expect, EXPECT 40% reduction in range in cold temps, with the heater on.
My use case is a 60 mile round trip that is mostly freeway but some back roads. My Mach-E is going to be great for that. Currently rocking a POS Focus Electric, and previously had a Fusion Energi.
Here's a link to my American made charger. Get a holster to mount to your wall as well. It's a nice feature.
https://store.clippercreek.com/hcs-4...arging-station
https://store.clippercreek.com/cable...nector-holster
1. Not going to the gas station every week, or twice a week and operating that grimy, sometimes slow, and sometimes barely functional gas pump is a game changer. Get out, plug in, carry on.
2. The 120V chargers are a non starter, but you don't have to go maxing out your panel either. I have a Clipper Creek 32A 240V charger and don't plan on upgrading when I get the Mach. 32A will give me 200 miles in 8 hours, I think. Plenty for my use case.
3. Cold weather will murder your range. Expect, EXPECT 40% reduction in range in cold temps, with the heater on.
My use case is a 60 mile round trip that is mostly freeway but some back roads. My Mach-E is going to be great for that. Currently rocking a POS Focus Electric, and previously had a Fusion Energi.
Here's a link to my American made charger. Get a holster to mount to your wall as well. It's a nice feature.
https://store.clippercreek.com/hcs-4...arging-station
https://store.clippercreek.com/cable...nector-holster
Cargo Master
Joined: Apr 2021
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From: Texas
Just wanted to jump in to make sure everyone's on the same page about what they're asking/answering because we may be using the team "charger" differently. (At least I was) Basically, there are THREE ways to charge the F-150 Lightning at home:
OR
- 80-amp Ford Charge Station Pro (available for the extended range battery. when used as a dual charger, you get 30-miles of range per hour)
- 48-amp Ford Connected Charge station (available for the standard range battery. it's not a dual charger, and adds 19-miles of range per hour)
OR
- You can use the provided mobile charging unit that's included with all Ford EVs. This you can plug into a 240v or 120v outlet (13-miles and 3-mile of range per hour, respectively.)
i had to do an almost 1300 mile round trip to fl in a hurry
if i get 300 range and then have to charge for 10 hrs( if i can find a level 2 charger near a hotel), , it would have taken me 4 or 5 days to get there and back. freaking nuts
the way the manufacturers are acting, it seems we no longer as Americans need to drive more than 250 -300 miles at one time , then be tethered to a charger (held hostage) for 10 or more hours (sitting duck) .