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Old 11-25-2018, 03:29 AM
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Anyone replaced batterybank on the frame due to bigger ones with more juice?

Hi all.
Currently running the 6.7 starter conversion on a set of EN720 /75Ah batteries that check out @ EN 650 & EN 620 - the latter Failed the stress test.
The biggest badest HD batteries om the market are the same I’m using right now due to space and availability @stores.
When trying to fire here on a cold morning I see a voltage drop close under 10V Even if IT seems that the starter rpm are good to go - the drop in voltage prevent it from firing.

I’ll try to get me set of the biggest & baddest batteries available ( I can see the new 6.7 conversion starter like juice) that fits into its old place.

So - if not, where do this lead me into ( this is where you FTE Doctors come in)
1: Crying my Ford heart out?
2: Sell or give the thing away?
3: By myself some NASTY TRUCK BATTERIES WTH A GAZZILLION AMPH HOUR (Ihave new batterie cables and a 250 ah dynamo) and place the batteries on the Frame somewhere.

Whats your 2cents ?

And - thank you in advance.
Helge the oilburning Norwegian

 
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Old 11-25-2018, 06:37 AM
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6.7 Starter conversion? This one is new to me on a 7.3L.
  1. We need batteries with 850 CCA or more
  2. The battery cables and connections need to be in optimal condition. If you have a bad ground between one of your batteries and the engine block, this can cause your issue.
  3. What is the battery voltage while driving with a warm engine?
 
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Old 11-25-2018, 06:59 AM
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I'm wondering if they use the same numbers there as we do here. One of the members here made room and put bigger batteries under the hood. IIRC it was idioit who did that. We have plenty of guys here whose stock set up starts their trucks down in the low digits. How many miles are on the truck? Are your injectors getting weary?
 
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Old 11-25-2018, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Walleye Hunter
I'm wondering if they use the same numbers there as we do here. One of the members here made room and put bigger batteries under the hood. IIRC it was idioit who did that. We have plenty of guys here whose stock set up starts their trucks down in the low digits. How many miles are on the truck? Are your injectors getting weary?
Yes Mark we have different codes for battery size (physical not electrical capacity) in Europe, I was able to find a UK supplier for Odessey extreme batteries & have been very happy with their performance. My truck starts with just waiting for the WTS lamp to extinguish, even below freezing point. The OP is a bit further north so possibly freezing temperatures already, definitely worth checking cables & earthing points, never heard of a 6.7 starter upgrade either, but any starter has the same basic requirements, good cables & a good current supply.
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EN750 batteries are only around 680CCA so that won't help.
 
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Odyssey show a supplier in Norway


 
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So I looked at Arendal on Google Earth, and it's a beautiful place. Given I'm an avid boater, that makes it even more appealing. However....

 
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Not sure if they are available to you, but try to find some AGM batteries for your truck. They have more than enough CCA to fire off a 7.3 with a good GP system, even a mediocre GP system.

Odyssey is a good choice as well.
 
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The OP lives on the coast and the weather just just getting to freezing at night, 40s in the day. Cold but the 7.3 should have no issues starting with
the correct CCA.

Maybe just plug it in for a few hours in the morning until you can get some more powerful batteries.
 
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Originally Posted by helgaairhead
Hi all.
Currently running the 6.7 starter conversion on a set of EN720 /75Ah batteries that check out @ EN 650 & EN 620 -
Google didnt turn up any reliable CCA ( cold cranking amps ) specs on a EN720 battery but here is the USA a group 65 battery has the CCA you need for the 7.3

Motorcraft BXT 65-850 is a badass battery at 870 CCA, No way 2 of these don’t get the job done.
http://machenry.com/documents/batteryspecs.pdf


But just just in case you must have more CCA then the Oddessy at twice the cost has 950 CCA
https://shop.odysseybattery.com/p/65-pc1750t





 
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Old 11-26-2018, 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by helgaairhead
When trying to fire here on a cold morning I see a voltage drop close under 10V.
Close (to) 10V? Under 10V? Which is it? Where are you measuring the voltage? When are you measuring the voltage? After Key On, but before Crank? During Crank? After Crank? Immediately after Crank or more than 120 seconds later? It all can potentially make a difference in diagnosis.

A voltage drop to 10V when first turning the key on a cold morning could be normal, even on fully charged, perfectly good batteries. The 8 glow plugs, if all working, can consume up to 100 amps altogether. And the glow plugs keep consuming current long after the Wait To Start light extinguishes, unlike older diesels, where the glow plugs job was done as soon as the engine was started. If the resting voltage is 12.6V, and 100 amps are suddenly demanded with key on, then the mere act of supplying that current to the glow plugs will reduce the voltage of the batteries until the alternator can supply power, which obviously can't happen until the engine is running. The combination of powering the glow plugs (which can remain on for up to 3 minutes per key cycle, depending on engine oil temperature) and cranking the engine will pull down battery voltage even more.

Originally Posted by helgaairhead
Even if IT seems that the starter rpm are good to go - the drop in voltage prevent it from firing.
Oil viscosity (too thick) in the winter time, especially in northern climates, can delay engine firing as well, since our injectors are oil driven.

I'm just trying to point out that there could be other contributing factors to your sluggish starts... meaning that one doesn't need to run a bank of big rig / lorry batteries under the frame rails just to start the truck.

There might be some benefit to looking beyond just the batteries... as several previous posters have already suggested.
 
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Oil... We didn't ask if he's using 15W-40 or 5W-40. I use 5-W40 year-round.
 
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