The problem with religion is that we are all going to hell.
Let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all people and all souls go to hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in hell to increase exponentially. So believe in what you want, doesn't matter anyway!

 

According to the bible Clinton did not commit Adultry!
How is that you ask?

Actually, long before Mr. Clinton's own admissions, I accepted as true the allegations of both Monica Lewinsky and Gennifer Flowers. I have also never doubted Paula Jones or Kathleen Willey.

So how, then, can I maintain that President Clinton is not an adulterer? Simple. From a biblical perspective -- or at least an Old Testament perspective -- he has not committed adultery.

Remember that in Old Testament times, polygamy and concubinage were perfectly acceptable institutions, and no "sin" or immorality was associated with them. Generally speaking, men could have as many women as they could acquire.

A man was considered an adulterer only if he had sexual relations with another man's wife. If a married man had sex with an unmarried woman, he was not guilty of adultery.

Thus, King David was an adulterer only because of his relationship with Bathsheba, the wife of Uriah the Hittite. His many other legally acquired wives and concubines did not make him guilty of adultery.

Of course, the same rules did not apply to women in Old Testament times. Unlike men, a married woman could not have more than one husband at a time, nor could she have male concubines.

And what would happen if a wife did cheat on her husband? As most biblically literate people know, the official punishment for adultery was death by stoning.

In fact, the ancient Hebrews were so obsessed with women having sex with other men that the rules concerning adultery even applied in cases of rape. In Deuteronomy 22:23-24, we read the following commandment allegedly given by God to Moses:

"If there is a girl who is a virgin engaged to a man, and another man finds her in the city and lies with her, then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city and you shall stone them to death; the girl, because she did not cry out in the city, and the man, because he has violated his neighbor's wife...."

That we are talking about rape here is revealed by the words "and another man finds her in the city and lies with her," and by the instruction that the girl is to be stoned because "she did not cry out." Of course, the possibility that the girl could not have cried out because she was being choked or was gagged, or because she had a knife held to her throat, never occurred to the omniscient Yahweh.

And while we are on this subject, what happened to the rape victim who was not engaged to be married? As incredible as it may seem, she was required to marry her rapist!

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 states, "If a man finds a girl who is a virgin, who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her and they are discovered, then the man who lay with her shall give to the girl's father 50 shekels of silver, and she shall become his wife because he has violated her; he cannot divorce her all his days." How's that for divine mercy and wisdom?

And with that, we now have enough background information to return to President Clinton's sexual adventures and his alleged adultery. Let me caution the readers that I may be mistaken about some of the details in what follows, but I don't think so.

First, regarding Monica Lewinsky: She's definitely single, so the president is in the clear. Under biblical rules, he's no adulterer.

Second, concerning Gennifer Flowers: If memory serves, she was single at the time of her 12-year relationship with Mr. Clinton, so again he's not guilty of adultery.

Third, Paula Jones: I don't think she was married at the time of her encounter with Mr. Clinton, and besides, no actual sex between the two ever occurred. But, as we have seen, even if Mr. Clinton had raped the unengaged and unmarried Paula Jones, from a biblical perspective there would have been no problem here.

And finally, we have Kathleen Willey: This was clearly President Clinton's closest call with adultery, but as it was with Paula Jones, no actual sex act ever took place.

However, even if it had, it appears that Mr. Clinton still would have been in the clear. If my memory is accurate, unbeknownst to both Mrs. Willey and President Clinton at the time of their encounter, Mrs. Willey's husband was dead.

So, she was no longer married. The president could have had his way without committing adultery.

He is a fine, upstanding, church-going Southern Baptist who adheres to traditional biblical values -- such as they are.

 

First answer these questions:

Is the world flat?

Does the sun and stars rotate around the earth?

I'll be back with my problem in a little while...........

 

BigD judging by your thesis, IF there is a God/Allah/what not, and he is real, then one religion..and only one, out there is correct? So they will go to Heaven. Now if there is not one, then it does not matter? So then, why not play your gaem of roulette and pick a religion out of a hat and hope you picked the right onw out of thousands...cause if you are worng in your choice....the same thing will happen to you than if you had picked none at all. I would rather at least have a chance than no chance.
Anyweays, I have been meaning to ask you that for a little while now.

 

Bigd:

First of all, this was the law of Moses. We are people that come after Jesus' crucifiction. Ok, now I'm no old testiment scholar, but here's one way of looking at that. After he rapes her, and he is caught, he is punished by then being dedicated to her. Now then, this isn't something I would do with him. In fact, if a man raped my daughter, he'd be going to prison or worse. It would be pretty hard for me to accept this man as my daughters husband. Here's the catch -- he can't leave her...ever. He can't wrong her. He can rape no more because he is now married, and subject to other marriage laws. It's almost like another prison. I know that's weird to comprehend but listen to this:

If you were to rape a girl and got caught raping her, and everyone knew about it, your life is already over. (keep in mind I'm speaking from old testiment point of view) Now that you have been caught, judgment is to be passed. You now have to pay her father for your wrong doings, and be dedicated to her side for the rest of your life whether you like it not. Everyone would know you for who you were and what you did. You would never live it down for as long as you lived. If you did it again, the marriage laws would come into effect and you'd be stoned to death. It may not float your boat, but God knew what he was doing. Also, I don't know for sure the real reason this was, but that's one way to look at it.

We live in a time that is after Jesus' death meaning we live what Jesus preached, not what Moses preached. I've said this before somewhere else, but I'll say it again...

In the beginning the world and man was without sin. Man sinned against God and had judgment passed upon himself and his wife. From that point on, all kinds of sin flooded the Earth. Mankind became totally corrupt. God destroyed mankind with the flood. A new time begins with Noah and his family. God promised he would never do it again. Sin re-entered the world. The Earth was filled with all kinds of lusts and incest. God couldn't just destroy Earth because he remembered his promise. He then found Moses and got him to lead the Israelites out of Egypt. From there, God's law through Moses came into play. People had only man's law before that. Now then, the way you got forgiven of your sins was to make a sacrifice to God through some animal he had picked out. That was how you made atonement for your sins. Well then skip over a period of time to Jesus' death. He was the ultimate sacrifice for sin. That's why we don't have to sacrifice a goat to God and let the priest do his thing with it everytime we sin. Jesus, in other words, was the ultimate sacrifice.

 

true 4.2,

Another incredible response.

Are you married? Have a girlfriend?

If so, run this response by them, I DARE YOU.

Marriage as a prison? Worse than death or punishment? The equivalent burden to being raped?

Unbelieveable.

Waxy

 

So true4.2--

What you're arguing here is that God views marriage as a prison? Bet yet Jesus celebrated the wedding at Canaan? Does God then take delight in imprisoning people?

I think you put forth a valiant effort to explain what BigD has posted, but face it. You can't explain that away.

As a side note, Waxy has expressed my personal view on the matter quite well. Thank you.

Whistler

 

I believe he is saying that being constantly reminded, having everyone around you constantly reminded and being unable to get away from the shame of what you did is the prison.

 

gdub--

Why should this women then also be put into the prison? For she commited no crime.

That attempt at explanation is even more twisted than true4.2's.

Whistler

 

whistler for your quistion of why the woman should also be 'punished' thus

she failed to cry out, to alert someone for help...granted I will give in to the point of hat if she was incapable? Well, Do you expect God to give to a simple people such rules as the crap we have now? So many loopholes and what ifs? God's law woulda have read something like this

1)Any man who is caught raping or in the attempt thereof shall be stoned to death in the public square
A)In the event that the woman Does Not cry out for help while being raped, then her and her rapist are to be married for all of their natural lives. The agrressure is to pay the victims father 50 shillings. The Agreessor must not perform any sexual actions outside of marriage.
I)In the event that the victim, who previously stated does not cry out for defense, is married or engaged to be married, then both the agressor and the victim are to be stoned until death in the village common.
II)In the event that the victim was not able to cry out due to the agressors actions and can be proven thus, then the agressor is to be stoned in the village common.
*)In the event that the victim claims thus and the agressor claims opposite, an investigation shall be purued to reveal the one falsifying information. Then refer to either previously staed laws 1.A.I or 1.A.II accordingly, unless said victim was married or engaged to be married than in the event that it is concluded that she did not wish to cry in distress refer to law 1.A.
III)In the event that the victim is unable to cry out in distress regardless of the agressors actions, and it is found that she did not wish this action to occur, refer to stated law 1.A...........


blah blah blah there are a few inconsistencies I do not like going thrrough the whole thing...If I was to continue this It would go on for PAGES!!!

Do you get my point?

 

So God is willing to punish a woman who is raped because she didn't cry out?

This just keeps getting better.


Whistler

 

I was just commenting on the effect this would have on the man.

I have looked at some other translations and these verses also deal with seduction, not just rape. Also the fathers consent was required for a marriage to take place.

 

This sort of "you break it, you buy it" attitude would suggest to me that the God of the Old Testament didn't put much value on the humanity of women.

Now of course if the Bible was only the thoughts of contemporary men of the time...

 

So God thinks it is punishment for a man to be in a marriage, but a woman in that same marriage is lucky? Or blessed?

Wow.

Whistler

PS I will be going out of town for the weekend. See you all on Monday.

 

Puts a different perspective on the heretofore 'misguided' moslems of ******* fame. I really was hoping to get some intellectual benefit from all this.

I have, and I'm now am even more worried about religious zealots.