CRJ900,

WELL?

 

Now, sinjin.

Are you a boxer or just a plain street fighter?

 

Big Orn,

Thanks for being the watchdog of my wrath.

Big kids sometimes need spanking too.

Cheers.

 

A crack! (Just kidding with you)

Hypothetical question for you though, and one that you may find hard to answer.

You have implied here that you don't agree with this law as it was laid out by God. So, hypothetically, our justice system aside, if this scenario were to happen to your wife or daughter, and may something so terrible never happen to you or your loved ones, would you follow the words of the Bible as they are, or would you choose to go against God and the Bible and follow your own path?

Waxy

 

Now do want to believe in evolution?

If so, we can weed him out, though he's obviously resisting quite well.

If not, well, he's your fault.

Waxy

 

There are chemicals that defy evolution and belief systems.....

 

1.) That's a loaded question.
2.) That law doesn't quite apply today, and I think that's where the confusion is.
3.) It may be loaded, but it's definately a fair question in this debate, so I'll shoot:

Ok, how can I say this and have it make sense? Before I say this, I'm trying to get around your question as I do intend to answer it, but hear me out. Ok, the old testiment laws are different from the new testiment laws from what I understand. The old testiment laws were written for that specific time and those specific people. Those people: A/K/A: The Israelites which Moses lead out of Egypt. These people for some strange reason found it almost impossible to trust God by mere faith. Every step of the way they were doubting God and him leading them out. They tried to curse and condemn Moses for ever attempting to lead them out of Egypt. In the Bible the Israelites said many times that they would have been better off in Egypt as opposed to being led out. They failed to see God's ultimate plan for the future, so time after time they rebelled against God. Over and over they disobeyed his commands. They even made a calf of solid gold to worship because they doubted God's plan for them. This is the reason God had to make such a strict law for them. That's why we look at it and find it puzzling or akward (sp?) to understand. See, Jesus came and died for us and gave us a new law to live by.

Now to answer your question:

If this ever happened to my wife I would definately see the rapist thrown in prison for as long as possible. It would be very, very hard for me to be forgiving to him. The reason I am using our law is because we live by a different law today than they lived in back then. If this were to happen to me back then, I would have to follow God's law. If I didn't, I would risk punishment upon myself for disobeying his law even if I didn't agree with it. Keep in mind that I have no sympathy or respect for a man that could rape a woman.

So in closing, it would be impossible for me to throw our law out and use God's law for the old testiment because his law was for the Israelites to live by. If you read in the old testiment, you'll find that in the book of Exodus and Leviticus that this law was intentionally written directly for the Israelites. If fact, it says that if they kept his commands and built the tabernacle, alter, and all the other stuff and served him, that every other tribe and nation would flee from them. Their enemies would never overcome them. But, if they failed to follow God's law, there would be ultimate punishment. I guess for that time, that's just how God saw it to be. If I were living in that time, I would have to live by God's law to 1.) prove my faith and trust in him and 2.) not bring his judgment upon myself. So I really can't throw our law out and live by the old testiment law today. Woh, I hope that actually made sense! Hopefully this at least shoots at answering your question.

P.S: and I know that if I were to say that no, I would disobey God's law and act on my own, I'd be contradicting myself and my beliefs. I'm not sure if that's what you were trying to get at, but it would make perfect sense IF that law applied today.

 

ture4.2,

I was not trying to trap you, and I hope you didn't take it that way.

I was just very curious as to how far your faith in God and the word's of the Bible being absolute truth would go.

I think your answer was honest and reasonably straight forward. You're a slippery guy when it comes to answers based on your own thoughts, and while you didn't answer the question directly, I think you did answer my question in a roundabout way.

It seems to me that the crux here, in this situation anyway, and it could be taken and applied elsewhere, is whether the words of the Bible are absolute uncorruptable truth, or whether they can and should be interpreted based on the times and our understanding of the world. You, and I suspect most Christians, seem to want it both ways. Whereas us "non-believers" are saying that you can't have it both ways, and you have to make up your mind one way or the other.

Here's another question, and feel free to ignore me, but is it documented anywhere in the New Testament that the laws of the Old Testament no longer apply?

Waxy

 

Waxy,

I think it's in there somewhere. Being raised Catholic I seem to remember something about a "New Covenant" coming from Jesus.

I think that's why I always wondered why some Christians still use all that hellfire stuff from Leviticus especially.

I'm sure one of our Bible scholars could tell you better than I.

 

Somethings are just a waste of time to even talk about.


Shut up


u trying to meet somewhere to settle this, milions got my back...

 

It's funny, you remind me of a child. Whenever a child gets frustrated because they can't understand something they have what I call a melt down and call it stupid or tell you to shut up. Thus when I see you post SHUTUP I think of it as a kneejerk reaction to you inability to comprehend posts that you are commenting on. It's not your fault you can't comprehend, so I don't get offended when I see your post. There are plenty of people out there like you who got the short end of the stick when it comes to the braintree.

So maybe your right, somethings are just a waste of time to talk about, when you have limited intelligence. So feel free to stay out of it.

 

I know you weren't. Your question was perfectly valid.

Never is it documented that the old testiment laws don't apply. Here is why. The principle of the law never changed because God never changes. It does say that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever in the Bible. That law was the first law ever presented to mankind. It was for a desert nomadic people that always disrespected God's word. That's why it had to be so harsh I guess. So there would be no loop-hole through it. It was God's way or the high way or at least that was their mentality. The law of man throughout the years have changed dramatically through and by man because we have progressed so much sense then...backwards and forwards. But it's like I said, it's the principle that is still the same.

 

Also, the law was made by God for that time and period for those specific people in the Old Testiment. Then Jesus came, lived on Earth, and died for our sins, thus fulfilling the law of God. The idea of it now is that when we ask him into our heart, we too are fulfilling the law through living for him. At least that's to my understanding.

 

Interesting...millions? Are you sure about that CJR900? I think bigdmizer hit the nail square with his post. If you either 1.) can't comprehend our debate or 2.) don't really care about it, you would be better off staying out of it.

 

hmnm...I thought he mean t Mil1on not millions of his 'peeps'...either way..I doubt it.