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Old Jan 29, 2018 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Sous
All 5 tires could not possibly wear at the same rate because 1 out of the 5 would consistently be free of wear because it is mounted under the vehicle. The only real way I see to keep all 5 tires at near the same wear level is to do a rotation once a month or every 1K miles or so.

The 1K miles is just a guestimate due to tire softness and road surface conditions. Either way, I think that in order to keep all 5 tires even would involve a lot more wheel swaps than I care to do.
True. I don't know what the planned rotation mileage is. I would think that every 5000 would do it but that is a guess.

I'm really impressed with how my drives are wearing. I wished I had measured them as I have not noticed any major wear over 30,000 miles.

I wonder what the manufacturing tolerance is with new tires for circumference? It would be interesting to compare that to some measured wear in heavy duty tires. I wonder what they do for a semi when they need a tire?
 
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Old Jan 29, 2018 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by brandon_oma#692
True. I don't know what the planned rotation mileage is. I would thing that every 5000 would do it but that is a guess.

I'm really impressed with how my drives are wearing. I wished I had measured them as I have not noticed any major wear over 30,000 miles.

I wonder what the manufacturing tolerance is with new tires for circumference? It would be interesting to compare that to some measured wear in heavy duty tires. I wonder what they do for a semi when they need a tire?
I just used to put one on.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2018 | 06:25 PM
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Since all 5 tires also have matching wheels, i would go with the 5 tire rotation.
For me, maximum miles between rotations would be based on tread wear rating and multiple, complete rotations.
My .02
 
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Old Jan 30, 2018 | 04:58 PM
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The hardest part to doing a 5 tire rotation on any regular basis to keep tire diameter as close to (equal) as possible is FINDING a Tire Shop that is COMPETENT enough to do what you INSTRUCT them to do! (WITHOUT being able to stand over them OR watch through a window).
1.Do they even manage to put the tires where you tell them you want them or do they get (mixed up) and just throw them on (the way the USUALLY do). Ask me why I write that!
2. Do they slop anti seize all over the back of the wheel and possibly on the studs (EVEN if you SPECIFICALLY tell them you don't want them to do that!)
3. Are they Gorillas when it comes time to air gun on the the lugs with their torque
sticks. Is the idea of using a properly calibrated torque wrench completely foreign
to them when it comes to the final sequence of torque ing the lugs down.
4. Do they give a rats *** that the CHROME LUG Nuts might need to be treated with
some small amount of care and not just thrown on the cement floor and chipped so
now they can start to rust! Any concern for how much you might have paid for those obviously not OEM lug nuts!
Those are the REAL questions & problems with trying to do a REGULAR 5 tire rotation every say 5000 or maybe 10,000 miles.
MY owners manual gives SPECIFIC instructions of how a 5 tire rotation is (supposed) to be done. So I guess the OEM does NOT seem to think there is anything (wrong) with doing a 5 tire rotation. DDT
 
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Old Jan 30, 2018 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dieseldogtom
...The hardest part to doing a 5 tire rotation on any regular basis to keep tire diameter as close to (equal) as possible is FINDING a Tire Shop that is COMPETENT enough to do what you INSTRUCT them to do... DDT...
No.
Buy a couple of good floor jacks and rotate the tires yourself. You need to buy a couple of jack stands as well.
EDIT: It never entered my mind that someone would be hired to do the rotation, until i read post #19.
FYI I do a 6 tire rotation because mine is a dually. This involves switching tires side to side at each rotation
My spare has a different wheel so it is not included.
 
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Old Feb 3, 2018 | 11:16 PM
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Well, FYI.... I'm happy for you.... DDT
 

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Old Feb 5, 2018 | 02:03 PM
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I don't buy into regular tire rotation anymore. Ages ago tires had uneven wear issues because suspension systems and tires sucked. Parts wore, alignments were always needed, etc. When the radial tires first came out, cross axle tire rotations caused tread belt separations. They've since fixed that issue with radials, but they've also come a long way with improvements in suspension geometry and materials. I had nearly 60k miles on my last set of BFG Radial A/T's, and about halfway through them I switched the fronts to the rear, same side. I guess that's because I do a lot more braking than hard acceleration. On cars, it's only the front wheel drivers where I really see a wear issue, as those tires are doing all the work. My spare becomes the best tire coming off when I get a new set, and I don't worry about it. The last flat tire I had, with a radial, was in the 80's.
 
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Old Feb 5, 2018 | 05:02 PM
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...I don't buy into regular tire rotation anymore...
Front tires. You don't see extra wear on the outer tread from constant steering/turning while driving?
 
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Old Feb 8, 2018 | 02:47 PM
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First, thanks to all for the replies and discussion.

The big surprise for me is the crossover rotation for 5 tires. I have the mindset that radial tires take a set, and should stay on one side (in general).

I did find the same diagram in the online user manual for my truck.

I saw a reference above that the radial "set" issue has been solved over the years.

As to the work involved in rotation, no real diff to me if I take the truck in for balance at the same time.

But if I am doing just a rotation myself, rotating all 5 seems simpler... But then my spare is in the bed, not under it.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2018 | 06:17 PM
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The big surprise for me is the crossover rotation for 5 tires. I have the mindset that radial tires take a set, and should stay on one side (in general).
The only time my tire shop crosses the tires is if one side has a lot less tread than the other. I’m a l-o-n-g way past 16 and I have to pay for my own tires. I don’t drift or do burnouts much any more so my tires are pretty close to each other. I don’t remember the last time that I crossed them.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2018 | 10:05 PM
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Next set of wheels I buy will be 5 this go around I found a great used set and kept one of my old wheels w tire for a backup. My Jeep had the full size spare which was nice and felt like a bonus when it came to tire life span. I have seen countless spares be so unused they don’t match the current tires. Another painful example was my neighbors new to him Hummer with a never used 2008 tire on the back tailgate mount. Now today he needs it after 10 years in the sun with no miles and doesn’t match his current tires. Thankfully he is going to purchase 5 tires as the current Set is dry rotted and has never been rotated. I really want to mount the full size spare on my roof since it’s too big for the stock location but we’ll see when I can justify the roof basket and tire mount lol
 
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Old Feb 8, 2018 | 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by dn29626
Front tires. You don't see extra wear on the outer tread from constant steering/turning while driving?
I started seeing some wear like that on my BFG's, but that was due to my old steering linkage wearing out. A bunch of parts and a new alignment later, no more issue. But I don't use my truck hard at all like a lot of you guys do. A regular F150 would suit my needs. The '84 in my sig has hauled just as much stone, lumber, camping gear, boats and other crap as this one. I'm just stupid and like spending $100 to fill the tank every now and then...
 
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Old Feb 9, 2018 | 08:40 AM
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I have been buying 5 tires all the same size and style when I buy new tires. I do a 5 tire rotation on all my vehicles and always have. Never had an issue with unusual wear or issues from two different size tires. I think that the size difference is negligible. I have gotten 50 - 60k miles out of my BFG ATs and my Goodyear Wrangler Durotracs with a 5 tire rotation. I do the criss cross method as described in an earlier post. I rotate mine every 3000 - 5000 miles on my F350 and about the same on my wife's Jeep Wrangler (Goodyear Wrangler Durotracs). I like the five tire rotation and I think that is just makes good sense, it also helps to ensure that your spare is inflated since you are checking it every few thousand miles.
 
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