2018 f150
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Nothing a hacksaw and a tuner can't fix. What's killing diesels is the stupid EPA crap they keep choking them up with and unfortunately they will continue to be choked up until something comes in to make them reliable again that doesn't kill them. The decade of failure is because they rushed the 6.0 to production and gave it a steeper tune than what the VT365 was rated for. The 6.4 was no better. Those were engineering nightmares and ended causing people more headache than what it was worth.
By 300,000 miles none of these trucks are worth the cost of a major repair that's a single bad tank of fuel away. Not saying diesel engines aren't worth it, but I haven't seen any kind of evidence suggesting they're likely to last longer than a gas engine.
The EcoDiesel is priced $3,020 above the Hemi V8 in the Ram 1500. I wouldn't pay much more than that.
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Nah, I don't think emissions have anywhere near as much to do with this as the fuel system. A HPFP failure is a $10K+ affair, and all current-generation engines are susceptible to this. Sooner or later these expen$ive injection systems will give out no matter how much emissions deletes you do. The 6.7L engines seem pretty solid, but the specific power output is substantially more than the diesels of yore.
By 300,000 miles none of these trucks are worth the cost of a major repair that's a single bad tank of fuel away. Not saying diesel engines aren't worth it, but I haven't seen any kind of evidence suggesting they're likely to last longer than a gas engine.
The EcoDiesel is priced $3,020 above the Hemi V8 in the Ram 1500. I wouldn't pay much more than that.
By 300,000 miles none of these trucks are worth the cost of a major repair that's a single bad tank of fuel away. Not saying diesel engines aren't worth it, but I haven't seen any kind of evidence suggesting they're likely to last longer than a gas engine.
The EcoDiesel is priced $3,020 above the Hemi V8 in the Ram 1500. I wouldn't pay much more than that.
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I'm wondering why Ford has shown their hand on the 2018 so soon. Hell, it's hard to find a 2017 on the lots as it is. They didn't even give the '17s a chance to get sales started and there are still plenty of '16s out there, my son in law just bought one 2 days ago.
I get that it's a shot over the bow to the competition, but a what cost? '17 buyers ar going to want significant incentives now to entice them to buy the "dated" current truck. Or else they may wait for the 2018.
I get that it's a shot over the bow to the competition, but a what cost? '17 buyers ar going to want significant incentives now to entice them to buy the "dated" current truck. Or else they may wait for the 2018.
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I'm wondering why Ford has shown their hand on the 2018 so soon. Hell, it's hard to find a 2017 on the lots as it is. They didn't even give the '17s a chance to get sales started and there are still plenty of '16s out there, my son in law just bought one 2 days ago.
I get that it's a shot over the bow to the competition, but a what cost? '17 buyers ar going to want significant incentives now to entice them to buy the "dated" current truck. Or else they may wait for the 2018.
I get that it's a shot over the bow to the competition, but a what cost? '17 buyers ar going to want significant incentives now to entice them to buy the "dated" current truck. Or else they may wait for the 2018.
1. If you don't like the appearance of the MY17 F150, don't buy another brand, wait for the different appearing MY18 F150.
2. Some don't want a First Year anything. Some that don't want the 2nd Gen EcoBoost or 10 speed transmission, still have an opportunity to buy a MY16 F150, still are plenty around. Some DO want the latest greatest, the engine choices for MY18 (including the 3.0L V6 diesel), and more 10 speed transmission usage, may keep them in the Ford corner, let them start planning and saving for their MY18.
3. It is possible they are planning for an EARLY job 1 availability for at least some of the MY18 F150's. MY18 models can be introduced anytime after Jan. 1, 2017.
4. Your marketing push, starting at a NFL football playoff game, gets a lot of visibility, because things are quiet with the competition. Look for a lot of play in the magazines, websites and cable TV car shows and videos.
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IIRC the GM/Ford joint venture on the 9 &10 speeds transmissions made it so Ford would intro the 10 speed first in 2017 while GM brought the 9 speed to market first. Then in 2018 they would both offer both transmissions.
By limiting production to the ecoboost engine only, it gives Ford a chance to iron out any issues that the 10 speed may encounter. Pretty smart if you ask me. By 2018, it should be good to go across the line up as evidenced by Ford's statement.
One other thing to bare in mind, the Ranger and Bronco are coming soon and they'll share at least 2-3 engines with the F-150. I'll wager the 3.3L, 2.7L and the 3.0L. This is a perfect time to launch / update and test as the smaller vehicles will likely be great sellers as people are struggling to get some capability and MPG's for a cheaper price.
By limiting production to the ecoboost engine only, it gives Ford a chance to iron out any issues that the 10 speed may encounter. Pretty smart if you ask me. By 2018, it should be good to go across the line up as evidenced by Ford's statement.
One other thing to bare in mind, the Ranger and Bronco are coming soon and they'll share at least 2-3 engines with the F-150. I'll wager the 3.3L, 2.7L and the 3.0L. This is a perfect time to launch / update and test as the smaller vehicles will likely be great sellers as people are struggling to get some capability and MPG's for a cheaper price.
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Probably September or October for the gassers and just a bit later, probably December or January (2018) for the oil burner.
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Originally Posted by Frdtrkrul
Probably September or October for the gassers and just a bit later, probably December or January (2018) for the oil burner.
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I agree 110%. Hate the current XLT Chrome 10 bar grille. I bought a 16 XLT sport, the painted surround with the black 10 bar grille looks better than the chrome, IMHO, but I bought a 16 Lariat gray grille and put in. I think it looks so much better. Overall I think the 18' looks better than the 15-17, by a good bit. Save for the 15-17 Lariat grille which is about perfect!
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I don't get the non-chrome versions. I think they end up looking like cheap fleet trucks. Blacked out sport cars look cool sometimes however.
I agree 110%. Hate the current XLT Chrome 10 bar grille. I bought a 16 XLT sport, the painted surround with the black 10 bar grille looks better than the chrome, IMHO, but I bought a 16 Lariat gray grille and put in. I think it looks so much better. Overall I think the 18' looks better than the 15-17, by a good bit. Save for the 15-17 Lariat grille which is about perfect!
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As far as the 15-17 trucks I like the base XLT chrome grille as well as the XL black grille. I don't like the multi bar chrome package that most XLT's get. It's like it needed another bar on the bottom to make it look right. Just my opinion. The 18' Lariat Sport, I believe is what the dark red one is, looks good for a painted front end. It just seems some manufacturers (Chevy) have went way overboard with the painted grille as of late and yes I agree those get old real quick and do look very fleet like. I like all of the 18' grilles I've seen in the pictures.