2018 f150
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This would have been a perfect time for a Hybrid truck, but instead they go diesel? Diesel make little sense these days with gas engines able to get 300k miles no problem. Diesel used to be much cheaper than gas, but no more . I dont get Fords thinking. It seemed to.me they went aluminum and the 2.7 for mpg gains to avoid a diesel, but now that the 2.7 was not the mpg miracle after all, they are going diesel? They should be leading hybrid truck market before they get left behind. Corporate vision is severely lacking imo.
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This would have been a perfect time for a Hybrid truck, but instead they go diesel? Diesel make little sense these days with gas engines able to get 300k miles no problem. Diesel used to be much cheaper than gas, but no more . I dont get Fords thinking. It seemed to.me they went aluminum and the 2.7 for mpg gains to avoid a diesel, but now that the 2.7 was not the mpg miracle after all, they are going diesel? They should be leading hybrid truck market before they get left behind. Corporate vision is severely lacking imo.
Do you see many gas engines these days that go 300k miles no problem?
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This would have been a perfect time for a Hybrid truck, but instead they go diesel? Diesel make little sense these days with gas engines able to get 300k miles no problem. Diesel used to be much cheaper than gas, but no more . I dont get Fords thinking. It seemed to.me they went aluminum and the 2.7 for mpg gains to avoid a diesel, but now that the 2.7 was not the mpg miracle after all, they are going diesel? They should be leading hybrid truck market before they get left behind. Corporate vision is severely lacking imo.
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I think most of them are capable of it, but of course the rest of the vehicles rarely make it worth keeping that long. For more than a decade now we hear much more of diesel engine failures than gas here on FTE...I think the days of your average diesel engine lasting longer are long over.
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Another question...
By the time the 2018 model year rolls around, what are they going to do about the Raptor? Since it started production and by the time it ended temporarily, it was always up-to-date with any major changes to the F-150, but now it will be one facelift behind. Will they just leave it as-is until the next major generation?
By the time the 2018 model year rolls around, what are they going to do about the Raptor? Since it started production and by the time it ended temporarily, it was always up-to-date with any major changes to the F-150, but now it will be one facelift behind. Will they just leave it as-is until the next major generation?
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Another question...
By the time the 2018 model year rolls around, what are they going to do about the Raptor? Since it started production and by the time it ended temporarily, it was always up-to-date with any major changes to the F-150, but now it will be one facelift behind. Will they just leave it as-is until the next major generation?
By the time the 2018 model year rolls around, what are they going to do about the Raptor? Since it started production and by the time it ended temporarily, it was always up-to-date with any major changes to the F-150, but now it will be one facelift behind. Will they just leave it as-is until the next major generation?
I think most of them are capable of it, but of course the rest of the vehicles rarely make it worth keeping that long. For more than a decade now we hear much more of diesel engine failures than gas here on FTE...I think the days of your average diesel engine lasting longer are long over.
Considering this engine has been in production a while in Europe, it should be well ironed out.
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This would just be modifying the front clip, taillights and tailgate skin, AFAIK.
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I think most of them are capable of it, but of course the rest of the vehicles rarely make it worth keeping that long. For more than a decade now we hear much more of diesel engine failures than gas here on FTE...I think the days of your average diesel engine lasting longer are long over.
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Here they go again. Take the square truck look that finally nails the design and then start going down the bulbous rounding road that Ford always has to go down (see hideous early 2000 era). Do they bring in new toilet designers every time they reach a level of design success? Ford shoud be going down the modern utilitarian route, not the sporty feminine route that has always lost them market share.
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What's going to kill diesels is the ability (or lack of ability) to control NOX emissions. Europe & the UK went for diesels in a really big way, and now they are discovering is that the increased NOX emissions is really hurting air quality. London is really choking, and they are going to have to do something about the NOX problem, or the future of diesels is in question. This will probably take a decade to sort out, and we haven't heard the last of it.
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Yes, I think it will cost alot more. The Toyota Highlander hybrid option is now only a $1500 option. I be the diesel option is over $5000. The only way a non commercial diesel make sense these days is if it was a small diesel that runs an electric motor.
Lots of gas engines go over 300k without problems. For Japanese cars mostly, but there are many Ford trucks with lots of miles our there.
Lots of gas engines go over 300k without problems. For Japanese cars mostly, but there are many Ford trucks with lots of miles our there.
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From: Utica, Nebraska
Yes, I think it will cost alot more. The Toyota Highlander hybrid option is now only a $1500 option. I be the diesel option is over $5000. The only way a non commercial diesel make sense these days is if it was a small diesel that runs an electric motor.
Lots of gas engines go over 300k without problems. For Japanese cars mostly, but there are many Ford trucks with lots of miles our there.
Lots of gas engines go over 300k without problems. For Japanese cars mostly, but there are many Ford trucks with lots of miles our there.
Diesels make more sense when towing/hauling or doing a ton of highway driving. Hybrids with regenerative braking do best in city. Toyota has been messing with hybrids for a long time and they probably have it easily figured on how to offer it in a much cheaper package. I've only seen one hybrid with over 275,000 miles and it was a 2010 Prius and most of it was highway miles. Highway miles are less strainous on drivetrains than city. What I don't know about that vehicle was how much of it was original to the vehicle. For all I know it could have had parts put on it from the dealer when others failed. I only did an oil change on it and replaced TPMS sensors.
I still think it's a crapshoot for engines to go well above 300,000 miles reliably on factory parts without replacement. To say that diesel doesn't make sense is only part of the argument, give both sides with as much unbiase as possible.
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A hybrid passenger vehicle is a whole different ball of wax compared to a 2-1/2 ton truck. I imagine a hybrid truck system is going to have to be beefed up, but I don't know by how much.