V10 Failures
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You're right. They were paid X per hour. It didn't matter whether it was warranty work or not. If the manufacturer paid Z hours flat rate for a particular warranty and I had a tech or techs that could crank out the work in half that time of the flat rate amount paid from the factory, it was a financial win and the mechanics involved with doing the work were all given given a bonus. We loved recalls! We would stack them up and knock it out in an assembly line.
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I have to admit I checked out this thread because I'm a proud owner of a 2002 6.8 v10. The more I read the more I'm interested in the trend. I'm a troubleshooter by trade so I guess I can't help myself! What happened in 2013? Emissions, production, etc...? The modular has been around for a while and the issues are well documented (heads, plugs, valve train) whether they are 2v or 3v. I did my research on the gas vs. diesel debate when we upgraded our farm truck and the modern diesels scared me off so I went with good ole' displacement and poor mileage and haven't looked back.
What happened in 2012, 2013?
What happened in 2012, 2013?
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I have to admit I checked out this thread because I'm a proud owner of a 2002 6.8 v10. The more I read the more I'm interested in the trend. I'm a troubleshooter by trade so I guess I can't help myself! What happened in 2013? Emissions, production, etc...? The modular has been around for a while and the issues are well documented (heads, plugs, valve train) whether they are 2v or 3v. I did my research on the gas vs. diesel debate when we upgraded our farm truck and the modern diesels scared me off so I went with good ole' displacement and poor mileage and haven't looked back.
What happened in 2012, 2013?
What happened in 2012, 2013?
The last year the 6.8l was offered in the F-250 and F-350 was in 2010. These trucks should have had higher profit margins due to trim levels thus they made more money on them. After 2010 all you got the V10 in were fleet vehicles (chassis cabs), the F53 chassis, some dressed long blocks for stand alone operation and etc. These more stripped down vehicles made them less money. In the meantime Ford has pretty much phased out the other modulars in their other lines with basically fleet vehicles holding on to them. So basically the part orders of modular parts took a massive drop in quantity per year which probably raised the price per part slightly. They may be trying to bleed off some old parts inventory they found that may not be up to snuff also. Could have been a lot of out of spec parts around, which is probably the case with a lot of the 2013 failures.
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No, not really. Lots of articles refer to the 5.0L as the "latest evolution" of the modular engine, but that's incorrect. It's a 100% clean sheet redesign, and there are no common parts between them. They were called "modular" engines because the different engines shared enough parts that it was a relatively simple affair for the plant to change over to a different displacement.
With absolutely no common parts or specs you can't switch between V10 and 5.0L production very easily, so it's not a modular.
With absolutely no common parts or specs you can't switch between V10 and 5.0L production very easily, so it's not a modular.
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No, not really. Lots of articles refer to the 5.0L as the "latest evolution" of the modular engine, but that's incorrect. It's a 100% clean sheet redesign, and there are no common parts between them. They were called "modular" engines because the different engines shared enough parts that it was a relatively simple affair for the plant to change over to a different displacement.
With absolutely no common parts or specs you can't switch between V10 and 5.0L production very easily, so it's not a modular.
With absolutely no common parts or specs you can't switch between V10 and 5.0L production very easily, so it's not a modular.
From Wikipedia and other sources:
Contrary to popular belief, the Modular engine did not get its name from its design or sharing of certain parts among the engine family. Instead, the name was derived from a manufacturing plant protocol, "Modular", where the plant and its tooling could be changed in a few hours to manufacture different versions of the engine family.[
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Actually, no.
From Wikipedia and other sources:
Contrary to popular belief, the Modular engine did not get its name from its design or sharing of certain parts among the engine family. Instead, the name was derived from a manufacturing plant protocol, "Modular", where the plant and its tooling could be changed in a few hours to manufacture different versions of the engine family.[
From Wikipedia and other sources:
Contrary to popular belief, the Modular engine did not get its name from its design or sharing of certain parts among the engine family. Instead, the name was derived from a manufacturing plant protocol, "Modular", where the plant and its tooling could be changed in a few hours to manufacture different versions of the engine family.[
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The 5.0Â*L (4951Â*cc, 302Â*cid) "Coyote" V8 is the latest evolution of the Modular engine.Ford engineers needed to design a V8, specifically for the Mustang GT, that would compete with the GM 6.2L LS3 used in the new Chevrolet Camaro, and the new Chrysler 6.4L Hemi ESF in the Charger and Challenger. This engine had to remain close to the same physical size of the outgoing 4.6, and share other specifications with it such as bore spacing, deck height, bell housing bolt pattern, etc. in order for the engine to utilize existing Modular production line tooling.Â*
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And, FWIW, I ran a few of those VINs through FordEtis home page, and they're all identically spec'd trucks with V10 engines as the OP mentioned. They're all single cab, Oxford White, 4.88 geared trucks with V10s manufactured at various dates from '11-'13 from the few that I've pulled. Someone would have to go through a LOT of trouble to post this kind of information just to troll.
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It'll be nice if some info comes from this such as a manufacturing problem or parts problem. Just to give the heads up to models and years to avoid if there was some sort of issues.
I have an 08 like Pappy and Scraprat and both of them had failures (valve?) which makes me nervous. Plus those dumb sticking plugs.
I love the V10 but it's not without its issues.
I have an 08 like Pappy and Scraprat and both of them had failures (valve?) which makes me nervous. Plus those dumb sticking plugs.
I love the V10 but it's not without its issues.
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I think we need to be cautious to not become paranoid or needlessly have it affect our world when people post horror stories about similar engines or vehicles as the ones we own. Sure, we feel empathy for their plight, but remember, 80% of folks who post on these sites, only post negative comments. (Just look at the list of subjects) It's human nature to lean negative, but are not indicative of any issues you'll ever see.
