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Old Nov 22, 2015 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Tugly
The "BARO()" in your equation is trying to subtract the BARO value of your tablet from MAP. I have learned the BARO function in most tablets are either a fixed value for sea level, or a zero - since most tablets have no barometer. The formula needs to be changed to utilize the BARO and Boost PIDs provided in the very first post in this thread, repeated in my last post just before yours.

Well darn it I did as you said but why am I getting these readings?? The gauges with your equations are the three clustered above the battery voltage.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2015 | 11:58 PM
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Did you program in the BARO from above? The equation I have "defines" how to get BARO, then the Boost equation is MAP minus BARO.

I also spotted a hiccup lurking in my last equation post, and I cleared it.

Stock ICP is about 500 PSI at idle, but sometimes tuners play with this. The next question would be what is the IPR? After all... IPR will set the ICP, based on what the ICP sensor is telling the PCM. IPR is usually pretty close to 10-11% with 500 PSI ICP at idle.

There is no fuel pressure sensor anywhere on the truck - looking for that in any scan gauge would be akin to trying to log the temperature of your butt in the seat.
 
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Old Nov 23, 2015 | 01:18 PM
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Hey Guys, I started to put in the PIDs and since they are listed in a different order than how you actually enter them into Torque, I kept putting the Long Name on the PID line.

So I started by just arranging them in a spreadsheet in the exact same order that you input them in Torque and decided to take it a step further as well.

I put them all into a csv file that I then copied to the phone and didn't need to manually add any of them in the phone itself. (MUCH easier)

Another quick note, on my truck when I did add a few of them manually they didn't work unless I put Auto in for the OBD Header. Leaving it blank as indicated would just fail on the test.

I also named each one A - "Long Name" so all of these custom PID's are grouped together towards the beginning of the list. This allows you to easily find them and know that these are custom added ones vs the application defaults.

You need a file explorer on your device to copy this csv file to the Torque folder. On my device it is sdcard\.torque\extendedpids
Root Explorer is one of the more popular apps to do this.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...tware.explorer

Once it is copied to that folder, you go into Torque\Settings\ManageExtra PIDs/Sensors and then hit "More". Then hit Add predefined set and you will see a new option called 7.3 PIDs. Click on the 7.3 PIDs and these will be added for you in the list as A - Barometer, A - Manifold Absolute Pressure, and so on.

Here is the file.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7o...ew?usp=sharing

REMEMBER: After you do this, with the KOEO view the list and make sure you see values for all of these PIDs so you know they are working for your truck. The transmission temp will only work for the one that matches your truck. (E99) or the regular one. All the others give me readings on my truck. All of these PID's are what Tugly posted except the Modified names and Auto set for the OBD Header to make them work for me.

If you want to add or modify any of these, just update this file for your purpose since it is already formatted for you and it is an easy way to get them all added again if you need to reinstall them for whatever reason.
 
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Old Nov 24, 2015 | 07:16 AM
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I didn't include the header on most of the PIDs, because mine defaults to Auto - and I only posted the changes. I'll be putting the revised 2016 list around Christmas, and this will be addressed.

Great job on the CSV file! I was going to get around to this - eventually - maybe. That will be included in the 2016 list.
 
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Old Nov 24, 2015 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Tugly
Did you program in the BARO from above? The equation I have "defines" how to get BARO, then the Boost equation is MAP minus BARO.

I also spotted a hiccup lurking in my last equation post, and I cleared it.

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I did. I'll have to review it all again when I get time. I don't understand why it is doing this.

If you look at my other two MAP and EBP gauges they are working, but I don't remember what equations I used on those. I did notice your copy and paste hiccup and did not include that in my equation.
 
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Old Nov 24, 2015 | 08:02 AM
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Looking forward to seeing the 2016 list!

One thing I notice is that the Boost gauge is reading 1.5 to 2 psi lower than my physical gauge is (Autometer). Is it safe to assume the physical gauge is correct and if so, is this where there needs to be an adjustment in the formula for the specific vehicle? I need to check and see if my Barometer gauge is reading exactly correct since it is used in the Boost formula as well.

I wonder what the accuracy tolerances are on these sensors in our trucks. If you put 5 trucks side by side, would they all read exactly the same values all other things being equal? I ask since you said you tweaked the formulas to match what you saw with AE on Stinky.

Just trying to figure out what kind of accuracy levels we should expect out of the gauges using Torque.
 
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Old Nov 24, 2015 | 08:17 AM
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I recently upgraded my Note 3 and got a Note 5. I had been lazy not set up my Note 5 with Torque Pro yet. That csv file just killed my last excuse. I'll test the Note 5 out soon and see how much better it is compared to the Note 3. I might have to put that Note 3 up for sale if everything goes well.
 
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Old Nov 24, 2015 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by William Mark Brown
I recently upgraded my Note 3 and got a Note 5. I had been lazy not set up my Note 5 with Torque Pro yet. That csv file just killed my last excuse. I'll test the Note 5 out soon and see how much better it is compared to the Note 3. I might have to put that Note 3 up for sale if everything goes well.
I have the Note 5 FYI and that is what I am using Torque on at the moment.
 
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Old Nov 24, 2015 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Chipworkz
...I ask since you said you tweaked the formulas to match what you saw with AE on Stinky....
Many of the formulas I originally downloaded or found on the forum had varying degrees of accuracy. TC slip would read 1400 RPM of slip while idling at 700 RPM, for example. Some of the formulas are untouched, because I couldn't find any measurable discrepancies between TP and AE. Some of the PIDs are dialed to get as close as I can - with a little logic thrown in there. "Logic" being the rules of the engine or computers. An example here: Each cylinder fires once every two revolutions, or four per revolution - and this helped to sort out the TC slip formula.

My boost/EBP doesn't read low, when comparing cruise readings between AE/ TP with known variables. If it's off by a certain percent, then the 1-2 PSI would show up at the WOT range... which I almost never use since getting Stinky squared away. I know AE says the raw EBP limit is 53 PSI when it is maxed out, and MAP is closer to 48-49 PSI.
 
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Old Nov 24, 2015 | 10:46 AM
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My boost gauge is off through out the entire range by about the same amount. 5 psi on my physical gauge will show about 3.5 in Torque for example. The higher the psi the more that it is off from what I can tell so at 23 psi, it is more like 2.5 psi off type of thing.

It is not that I care that much about the boost number but more of which gauge is the accurate one. The only other physical gauge that I have that I can compare to Torque is the Trans temp but with its scale, a 5 degree difference couldn't be seen.

When I have time I will break out AE and see how the boost in it compares to my physical gauge. Maybe my physical gauge is just off who knows.
 
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Old Nov 24, 2015 | 03:35 PM
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It's entirely possible the formula is off a little. It's sometimes hard to catch the low number differences. I'll do another test myself with a tight focus on boost, or I can compare my most recent logs.
 
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I see this PID for Torque converter slip and the max value set at 1000 I have mine set at 1800 and I am still not sure it is enough. I also am not sure what units it is referencing. 1600 what? RPM?

Torque Converter Slip
Short Name: Slip
PID: 2211b8
Units: RPM
Max/Min: Max 1000.0/0.0 **
Equation: ((A*256)+B)/4
**I use this max to watch idle in gear. Torque Converter will not lock until Transmission Temp exceeds about 50 - 60 degrees F, you are in Drive, and moving at least 35 MPH (Torque Converter Lock Up - depending on your tune and conditions).
 
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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 04:40 AM
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If you are going over 1600 TC Slip, we may need to discuss that. In neutral while idling, you will see about 3/4 of idle RPMs as slip. In gear at idle, you will see slip match RPMs. On the open road with no TCLU, I don't see over 1000 RPM slip - but I'm not big on WOT runs from slow. My foot might get too heavy to keep aloft on the highway here and there though - but that's in TCLU. TCLU? Near zero, with a little twitching. That twitching is caused by the difference in time between the readings of the two sensors.
 
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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 08:09 AM
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At one point yesterday, I saw it go over 2400 on converter slip, so maybe my formula is wrong?
 
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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 08:48 AM
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I used the built in formula from the custom PID list in Torque Pro and had wildly large numbers.

Once I looked up and used the formula from this site, it settled right down. Never dove into it to find out why, didn't really care since it was working
 
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