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Old Jun 8, 2015 | 10:26 PM
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I will have to make up my own insert in the lathe for the over size hole. Then I will ream and tap the rest smaller to accept the new inserts.
Too small? Did you order the wrong ones?

I know Lock-N-Stitch makes larger inserts for oversized holes, but I also know Lock-N-Stitch inserts are expensive.

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Old Jun 9, 2015 | 07:48 AM
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I may have got the wrong ones but time sert isn't very clear on OD of their inserts.

I ordered the 44186a inserts which are fully threaded, but turns out they are thinner so they have a smaller OD than the 51459 inserts which the time sert triton 5553 kit is intended for. But the "intended" 51459 triton insert still only has like 5 threads so I wanted to avoid those as they don't address the problem.

The 51459 are listed as a "big sert" which maybe I should have looked for a fully threaded insert in a "big sert" style.

Now I will use all of today to make up 5 inserts to fit the over size holes in the one head now. Time sert seems to keep the OD tap size for inserts a secret so I will have to figure out the size and tap for the new thinner inserts myself.
 
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Old Jun 9, 2015 | 09:11 AM
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It seems as though the correct insert would be 51457A. It is a "big sert" with the 14x1.25x16.8 thread section and is fully threaded from top to bottom.
 
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Old Jun 9, 2015 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Snowseeker
Now I will use all of today to make up 5 inserts to fit the over size holes in the one head now. Time sert seems to keep the OD tap size for inserts a secret so I will have to figure out the size and tap for the new thinner inserts myself.
Skills....mad skills.

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Old Jun 9, 2015 | 06:58 PM
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Chuck up some solid aluminum round stock and go to town.

Drill.
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Ream.
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Reduce outside diameter to OD thread Major diameter. Leave a shoulder .050" wide.
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Tap the reamed hole only up to the depth tape.
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Single point thread the OD.
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Part off the insert from the rest of the stock.
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I figured since the lathe was set up and I had all the measurements and whatnot dialed in, if I were to make 5 I may as well make all 10 and not look for a tap and reamer to do the thinner inserts.
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Old Jun 9, 2015 | 07:05 PM
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Here you can see the difference between the 51459 (standard triton insert) on the left, 44186A in the middle (note how much thinner it is), then finally the VPT fully threaded thicker insert. I assume the 51457A time sert insert would be nearly identical to the ones I made.

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Old Jun 9, 2015 | 07:20 PM
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Now on to the installation.

First is the reamer that takes out the factory threads and cuts the plug seat flat.
This is how much it protrudes when fully seated.
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This is how much aluminum gets removed with just the second reamer. I don't think any amount of grease would hold this amount of chips. A vacuuming is very necessary if you do this job with the heads on the motor.
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This is how far the second reamer protrudes into the cylinder when fully seated.
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This is how far the tap protrudes when fully turned in.
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And the driver.
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Insert in there.
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One insert in, one reamed and taped over size hole waiting for insert.
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Spark plug in.
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Old Jun 9, 2015 | 09:34 PM
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Very impressive Andy. I'd be terrified of destroying the head with a wrong twist! Looks like you are back to switching to crush washer style plugs?
 
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Old Jun 10, 2015 | 06:35 AM
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Outstanding research, discussion, information, pictures and work by the Snowman in this thread.

Andy, what are your plans with the troublesome exhaust studs while the heads are still on the bench?
 
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Old Jun 10, 2015 | 06:51 AM
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Completely impressive. Way to go!
What a valuable thread. I can't wait to see you get this back together.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2015 | 07:39 AM
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Way to go Andy. I think we all wish we had your mad fab skills and shop tools.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2015 | 08:18 AM
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Wow, what a superb job! Just fyi, the approved Ford method uses anodized inserts and the insert is staked to the head so it can't back out. IIRC, it uses ~1/16" pin, there is a tool that threads into the insert and has a hole to locate the drill bit, half the hole is in the new insert, other half is the head itself. HTH
 
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Old Jun 10, 2015 | 11:54 AM
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You need to work for Ford...
 
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Old Jun 10, 2015 | 12:44 PM
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Impressive!

Uhm.. why do you have a sparkplug in your glowplug hole? Lol.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2015 | 03:17 PM
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You need to work for Ford...
Yeah in Fort Lauderdale
 
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