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Old Aug 13, 2014 | 06:59 PM
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When replacing the timing chain, 1978 F-150 5.8L VIN H, is it necessary to change the camshaft and crankshaft sprockets?
 
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Old Aug 13, 2014 | 07:02 PM
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When replacing the timing chain, 1978 F-150 5.8L VIN H, is it necessary to change the camshaft and crankshaft sprockets?
Yeah, it comes in a set.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2014 | 07:30 PM
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Yes, change it as a set, especially if the cam gear is nylon.
Don't replace the cam gear with another nylon, replace it with metal.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2014 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Piston Honda
Yeah, it comes in a set.
The chain is available for purchase without the sprockets.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2014 | 11:23 AM
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Yes, change it as a set, especially if the cam gear is nylon.
Don't replace the cam gear with another nylon, replace it with metal.
So you would recomend not using the Genuine Ford part D0AZ 6256-A? I was trying to keep the truck all original, however if this part is prone to failure I would have to reconsider.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2014 | 12:48 PM
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So you would recomend not using the Genuine Ford part D0AZ 6256-A? I was trying to keep the truck all original, however if this part is prone to failure I would have to reconsider.
I am a huge fan of NOS parts and keeping it original. However, in this case, I would definitely go aftermarket. The original cam gear is an aluminum hub with nylon teeth molded around it. This was done because it is quieter but mostly because it was cheaper to make.
This works fine for a while but eventually the nylon becomes brittle and the teeth break off allowing the timing chain to lose it's timing. This won't happen with a metal gear (either steel or cast iron).
Another thing that happens, when the teeth start breaking off they fall into the oil pan and get sucked up into the oil pump pick up. This will clog and you'll lose oil pressure. So when the gear fails, you not only have to replace the gear and chain, you have to drop the oil pan and clean out the pan and pick up.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2014 | 11:59 PM
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Old Aug 19, 2014 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by mikeo0o0o0
I am a huge fan of NOS parts and keeping it original. However, in this case, I would definitely go aftermarket. The original cam gear is an aluminum hub with nylon teeth molded around it. This was done because it is quieter but mostly because it was cheaper to make.
This works fine for a while but eventually the nylon becomes brittle and the teeth break off allowing the timing chain to lose it's timing. This won't happen with a metal gear (either steel or cast iron).
Another thing that happens, when the teeth start breaking off they fall into the oil pan and get sucked up into the oil pump pick up. This will clog and you'll lose oil pressure. So when the gear fails, you not only have to replace the gear and chain, you have to drop the oil pan and clean out the pan and pick up.
Thanks for your help! This info was really helpful and the pics are great. I ordered timing set from CLOYES Gear & products, Inc. It's advertised as high alloy steel sprockets that are heat treated and the chain is pre-stressed and heated treated. Did some research and looks like they've been around since the early 1920's and they do some OEM stuff too.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2014 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by mikeo0o0o0
I am a huge fan of NOS parts and keeping it original. However, in this case, I would definitely go aftermarket. The original cam gear is an aluminum hub with nylon teeth molded around it. This was done because it is quieter but mostly because it was cheaper to make.
This works fine for a while but eventually the nylon becomes brittle and the teeth break off allowing the timing chain to lose it's timing. This won't happen with a metal gear (either steel or cast iron).
Another thing that happens, when the teeth start breaking off they fall into the oil pan and get sucked up into the oil pump pick up. This will clog and you'll lose oil pressure. So when the gear fails, you not only have to replace the gear and chain, you have to drop the oil pan and clean out the pan and pick up.
Thanks for your help! great pics too. This info really came at the perfect time. I ordered at timing set from CLOYES Gear & Products, Inc. It's advertised as having high alloy steel sprockets and a pre-stressed chain.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2014 | 12:46 PM
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Cloyes has been around just about forever. They make a good product.
 
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