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Mar 3, 2014 | 10:44 AM

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Polkster

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Well it sits overnight then same problem, only 60 degrees last night.
It spits and sputters for few seconds when turns over, after cycling ignition 4 or 5 times and having it spit and sputter several times it finally cranks up?? Must be another problem??

Cant find block heater plug in front of truck. Would they have really built a diesel truck WITHOUT a block heater on it??? The manual says " if equipped".
I live in and it was bought from the south, but we still get enough freezing weather to require block heaters. Thats just wrong.

Mar 3, 2014 | 10:47 AM

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9228.bobcat

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They all have the block heater. The cord is what you dont have they come as an option. You can get one for around $25.

Mar 3, 2014 | 10:48 AM

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npccpartsman

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They all came with block heaters installed but not all came with the cords (which can be purchased for <$15. If it's there it'll be around the passenger side tow hook behind the bumper probably taped in the harness. What year model?

Mar 3, 2014 | 10:51 AM

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9228.bobcat

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I would also check batteries, load test each battery by themselves and check ficm voltage and alternator. You can take it a parts store and they will do it for free, other than the ficm.

Mar 3, 2014 | 11:44 AM

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Polkster

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I would also check batteries, load test each battery by themselves and check ficm voltage and alternator. You can take it a parts store and they will do it for free, other than the ficm.

Very possible, But the motor seems to turn over no problems. I have had to charge the batteries numerous times this winter after trying to start it and batteries run down.
Once its cranked and warmed up it cranks right back up after turn it off and restart.

Mar 3, 2014 | 11:47 AM

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Polkster

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They all have the block heater. The cord is what you dont have they come as an option. You can get one for around $25.

I know theres no wire there. When i buy the wire where will it plug in i wonder?? On block somewhere or into wiring harness somewhere??

Thanks

Mar 3, 2014 | 11:53 AM

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Polkster

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2004. Taped up in wiring harness passenger side? Behind blinker down low i assume?
Maybe thats why i cant find it because i know its never been used. But i have definetly searched under there many times. I hope i'm just blind.

I have 2 7.3 trucks and they are both on drivers side.

Mar 3, 2014 | 11:56 AM

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Money-Pit

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I know theres no wire there. When i buy the wire where will it plug in i wonder?? On block somewhere or into wiring harness somewhere??

Thanks

The block heater is above the starter, plug it in there.

Here's a cheap cord that works.

Kat's 28216 6' Replacement Cord : Amazon.com : Automotive

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Mar 3, 2014 | 11:57 AM

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9228.bobcat

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You plug into the block above the starter. If you crawl under there and look you will be able to see the male plug of the block heater, its on the block, it will be a circle with two prongs with threads on the outside. You plug it in and screw the cap on. There is a write up about it in the tech folders.

Mar 3, 2014 | 12:00 PM

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npccpartsman

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The block heater is above the starter, plug it in there

If it's there it will be between the blinker and tow hook on the right side. You can also look above the starter to see if the heater has the plug on it already and follow it to the bumper.

Mar 3, 2014 | 12:18 PM

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Polkster

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Thanks all of you guys. Can get my heater problem fixed now.
Got things to check, battery loads, then maybe get her cranking when its cold.
I'll get back when things develop.
Thanks again.

Mar 3, 2014 | 12:29 PM

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Yahiko

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The top of the tarter in this image and to the left side you see
that orange cord. That is the heater line.

Sean

Mar 3, 2014 | 01:18 PM

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Misky6.0

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Originally Posted by Polkster

If this all started after you changed fuel filters, it's possible you didn't get the fuel filter caps back on properly and there is a small leak?

The lower filter (on the frame rail - under driver's seat) is the likely source of the air leak - double check you snapped the filter into the CAP before installing it? The drain plug is tight? The filter cap is snugged down properly?

I have a fuel pressure gauge and on my last fuel filter change I had 0 fuel pressure, so I knew to keep checking the filters… to find my problem.

Mar 3, 2014 | 01:20 PM

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mustang_309

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Does it only do this after sitting all night? 60* weather shouldnt require the use of the block heater if everything is working the way it should. Mine cranks right up after sitting all night in single digit temps. You also should not need to cycle the key that many times to get it to start, just remember you are putting an enormous load on the batteries running the glow plugs each time you cycle the key as the glow plugs use up to 96 AMPs ( 10-12 AMPS each ) so you need to check the FICM voltage on cold start, it needs to remain above 45 at all times from KOEO, cranking, idle and WOT. There is a link in the tech folder with the FICM test procedure if you dont have a set of gauges which is highly recommended. If it is not the FICM the fuel pump could be going out.