Truck down!
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If bad fuel (we'll say water) damaged the injectors, that HPFP is toast.
If it isn't destroyed now, it will be at some point later and send metal through everything they will replace during this repair when it pops, then you get to do it all over again (or worse).
This is horrible news but you are handling this well.
It would be easy to blame Ford but they don't provide stations with bad fuel.
Hopefully insurance will cover it, send you on your way and then go after the station.
Just like a wreck, this is unpredictable and we don't know what's going in our tanks.
Better yet, hopefully your last several receipts are from the same station.
That will be evidence that is difficult for that place to ignore!
If it isn't destroyed now, it will be at some point later and send metal through everything they will replace during this repair when it pops, then you get to do it all over again (or worse).
This is horrible news but you are handling this well.
It would be easy to blame Ford but they don't provide stations with bad fuel.
Hopefully insurance will cover it, send you on your way and then go after the station.
Just like a wreck, this is unpredictable and we don't know what's going in our tanks.
Better yet, hopefully your last several receipts are from the same station.
That will be evidence that is difficult for that place to ignore!
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Over the last couple yrs Ive read about saving receipts from fuel stations.Would your credit card statement work as evidence as well? Im thinking paper receipts are better because it notes gallons ,time ect.I try to save receipts but I do forget to grab it once in a while.
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Sorry to hear of your misfortune that is not what anyone wants to deal with on a newer truck.
This is what has held me back from buying a diesel......since I don't really need one for what I tow I went with the 6.2 and its been great and mindless as far as maintenance.
I would like to have a 6.7 just because of the fun factor but refuse right now due to these types of issues popping up....you never know how the fuel is, or if your gonna get help when it does.
I hope at some point Ford will get a fuel system that is not so sensitive to fuel contamination and take out $10k worth of machinery. If they can manage to get a system to handle water better I would go out and get a diesel.....until then my simple gasser works great.
I owned a 2004 D-max years ago and I honestly can not remember having to worry about fuel contamination......if you got some water in the tank no biggie....drain and change the filter.....not huge amounts of money for repairs.
Hopefully you can get some help from your insurance company....best of luck to you.
This is what has held me back from buying a diesel......since I don't really need one for what I tow I went with the 6.2 and its been great and mindless as far as maintenance.
I would like to have a 6.7 just because of the fun factor but refuse right now due to these types of issues popping up....you never know how the fuel is, or if your gonna get help when it does.
I hope at some point Ford will get a fuel system that is not so sensitive to fuel contamination and take out $10k worth of machinery. If they can manage to get a system to handle water better I would go out and get a diesel.....until then my simple gasser works great.
I owned a 2004 D-max years ago and I honestly can not remember having to worry about fuel contamination......if you got some water in the tank no biggie....drain and change the filter.....not huge amounts of money for repairs.
Hopefully you can get some help from your insurance company....best of luck to you.
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no metal particals in filter. I still yet to see a significant amount of water in fuel. Just cloudy and still cloudy.
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I'm not clear who diagnosed and recommended an entire fuel system replacement, but from what I've read I would take the truck to your local Ford dealer to get to the bottom of this.
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Your situation could be easily fixed by a fuel flush with new water. Could be. Sounds more like algae in the fuel then water. I also agree that I don't know why your not taking the truck to Ford. Sounds like they will be able to give you a better answer.
Amelio,
No newer diesels will ever be able to handle what the diesels of the 90s and 2000s did. Common rail technology mixed with high PSI fuel injectors this is what you can expect. Also there is no way to compare a 04 dura max to a 14 power stroke. Completely different creature, and I would hazard to say that these issues aren't popping up or increasing with longer ownership of the trucks. Every once and awhile some poor guy has to deal with it and that's it.
Amelio,
No newer diesels will ever be able to handle what the diesels of the 90s and 2000s did. Common rail technology mixed with high PSI fuel injectors this is what you can expect. Also there is no way to compare a 04 dura max to a 14 power stroke. Completely different creature, and I would hazard to say that these issues aren't popping up or increasing with longer ownership of the trucks. Every once and awhile some poor guy has to deal with it and that's it.
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I don't think anyone will argue the cloudy fuel is not good but for the engine to quit running, major damage should have occurred to the fuel system by now so that's what's confusing.
I'm thinking heavily emulsified water will take awhile to settle.
Bust open the engine fuel filter (if insurance doesn't care). How bad is that filter?
I guess we just need to further understand what's wrong with #8.
If #8 is gone due to a fuel issue, wouldn't all of the injectors have a similar issue?
If there's no metal or rust anywhere, then that changes everything.
From the stories we've heard before, rust happens quickly, right?
I don't know the procedure, if they flush the fuel system can all of the fuel be flushed into a clean bucket?
Then you'll be able to further check for metal.
I don't think you want to use new water.
I'm thinking heavily emulsified water will take awhile to settle.
Bust open the engine fuel filter (if insurance doesn't care). How bad is that filter?
I guess we just need to further understand what's wrong with #8.
If #8 is gone due to a fuel issue, wouldn't all of the injectors have a similar issue?
If there's no metal or rust anywhere, then that changes everything.
From the stories we've heard before, rust happens quickly, right?
I don't know the procedure, if they flush the fuel system can all of the fuel be flushed into a clean bucket?
Then you'll be able to further check for metal.
I don't think you want to use new water.
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Your situation could be easily fixed by a fuel flush with new water. Could be. Sounds more like algae in the fuel then water. I also agree that I don't know why your not taking the truck to Ford. Sounds like they will be able to give you a better answer.
Amelio,
No newer diesels will ever be able to handle what the diesels of the 90s and 2000s did. Common rail technology mixed with high PSI fuel injectors this is what you can expect. Also there is no way to compare a 04 dura max to a 14 power stroke. Completely different creature, and I would hazard to say that these issues aren't popping up or increasing with longer ownership of the trucks. Every once and awhile some poor guy has to deal with it and that's it.
Amelio,
No newer diesels will ever be able to handle what the diesels of the 90s and 2000s did. Common rail technology mixed with high PSI fuel injectors this is what you can expect. Also there is no way to compare a 04 dura max to a 14 power stroke. Completely different creature, and I would hazard to say that these issues aren't popping up or increasing with longer ownership of the trucks. Every once and awhile some poor guy has to deal with it and that's it.
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Amelio,
No newer diesels will ever be able to handle what the diesels of the 90s and 2000s did. Common rail technology mixed with high PSI fuel injectors this is what you can expect. Also there is no way to compare a 04 dura max to a 14 power stroke. Completely different creature, and I would hazard to say that these issues aren't popping up or increasing with longer ownership of the trucks. Every once and awhile some poor guy has to deal with it and that's it.
Yeah I was in no way comparing power plants just making a general statement on the sensitivity of the new systems. I understand that the newer systems operate at tighter tolerances I just wish they were able to handle impurities better.
I love the 6.7 but as I mentioned I am not willing to invest in one just yet. I am waiting until 2016 when my trucks warranty is up, I will either buy and extended service plan or trade it in on a new truck. The trade in may be to a PSD if they change something in the fuels system.
I watch this board a lot because I may go to a diesel when its time to trade in......but I want to be aware of what I am getting into.
To the OP........how often did you change your filter? Does your truck sit a lot to where condensation could build up in the tank? There are additives you can add to the fuel to help with condensation or water in the fuel correct?
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Just on payment. The gas station that sold the fuel should have to foot the bill. I hope you have the receipt.
If they sell gas/diesel that are outside the national specs, they are financially liable for any resulting damage.
If they sell gas/diesel that are outside the national specs, they are financially liable for any resulting damage.