Not quite sure why your telling me this.Im well aware of that and well aware of Ricatics hpfp issue.I did not state anything about cost.He was stating that every fuel pump WILL go bad.Thats what I was referring to.

 

These threads are for everyone, not just you.

 

Understood! But you quoted me... Soooooooooo I would assume the only logical thing would be is you were posting to me otherwise that makes no sense.

 

1-The pump can't handle any water = bad engineering.
2-When the pump does go it will take out the injectors = bad engineering.

I don't care if the other manufactures use the system or not, it doesn't make it right.

I have read about other manufactures having problems and have since started to warranty the pump at 100%. From what I understand Ford has not taken this approach.

Again, I expect better and apparently you don't. Your decision.

 

Again more assumptions....

And your wrong about other manufacturers covering pumps at 100%... GM and RAM (Fiat) will void your warrenty if there's evidence water damaged the HPFP plain and simple!

You are correct if the HPFP experiences a catastrophic failure and it will indeed ruin the injectors.

 

The pump is designed to pump diesel NOT water, so why should it be made to handle water?

You have read from Rick that everybody else is getting warranty work and HIS is the only one "assumed" that FORD has denied just because he is Rick. Not because of bad fuel or water, but just because.

If your pump shows water damage, should your warranty cover if JefffH? Remember before you answer that the HPFP is designed to pump diesel and not water.....

I expect that my truck will be and continue to be a great truck with a great motor, if I get a bad does of diesel with water or mixed with gasoline or something that is not USLD then that's my problem. Not fords.

 

Maybe Ford should have expanded the owner manual discussion of Lubricity and taken a chance of strongly recommending an additive to ULSD in an to bring it up to Bosches spec HFRR spec. Also perhaps put a warning sticker on the fuel door drain the DFCM often. Who knows, but such an expensive purchase of a high tech truck requires some extra study. Or one could come to FTE and get great suggestions from owners on care and feeding of said vehicle. I observed from discussions here the following:

Diesel fuel in the US HFRR score is below Bosch spec
Additives can bring the HFRR up as well as cetane and water demulsifier
The truck has a water filter in the fuel supply that is easy to drain
Drivers have zero control over gas stations diesel supply

So, just like the effort it takes to minimize damage to other areas of the engine, like changing the air filter, oil changes, tire air pressure, I add a demulsifiing lubricity additive to a tank of fuel I buy from stations who are busy and drain the DFCM often. I therefor minimize risk associated with the fuel system, just like oil changes etc.

The data is out there on number of trucks sold and failure of pumps per X trucks sold. It is pretty low. Fascinating is the claims of poor design, comparisons to other manufacurer vehicle warranty claims and doggedly defending one poor guys mission to negatively impact sales of Ford F series trucks, as well as a few who consistantly make claims of new truck pump failures without data to back it up. What is point? What is going to happen to all of us 6.7 owners by claiming a component fails? Nothing is my guess. My take from this ongoing saga is, my claim your new trucks lug nuts are going to losen up and your wheel will fall off should have you starting a new thread with wild ideas about your lug nuts. Us owners concerned about a problem seek out good ideas from other forum folks...see suggestions above for minimizing fuel issues and let us know how it works.

 

Easy, Easy... I'm not looking to argue. I just don't like the fact that my "SUPER DUTY" can be crippled by a little water in the gas. I also don't like hearing stories of $11,000.00 repair bills from said water. I think it's bad engineering and your not going to convince me otherwise regardless of what Chevy and Dodge do.

I remember getting a tank of bad gas in my F150 and after burning through that tank of bad gas it went on trouble free for another 100,000 miles without worry. My point is I always felt my F150's were bullet proof. I want to feel that way about my "Super Duty" but I feel the HPFP could be a week link as the miles start to increase. Thats not to mention a possible bad tank of gas or two along the way.

 

This is absolutly hilarious. There has NEVER been a bigger Ford fan than Rick was....How many thousand positive posts did he make here, let alone on other forums? And this was after a terrible 6.0 experience...
Back in those days, everyone here doted on his every post. You all loved what he had to say....The koolaid was being passed around and everyone was slapping each other on the back having a great time...

The point is, you all respected his opinion then...Well that cuts both ways.
His opinion has changed over time (as most everyones will on different things) and now some of you no longer want to hear from him.

I see it as taking the good with the bad. If you loved all the good things he had to say, then you at least should tolerate what he has to say when you don't like it.
If that is too hard, then you can always just block him.

Rick, I think you should hold out for what you want. These things cost to much to settle for less. When I decided I wanted my Silverado, I had to wait for it as production hadn't started yet. I had a good offer on my old one and took it,,,,even though it meant that I had to drive around in a borrowed mini truck for awhile.

 

All I can say if your this Da n., paranoid. SELL your truck before it breaks.
Im personally sick of this crap.time to move on.

 

Seems like everyone ignored my previous post, so I'll try again.

LEAVE THE PAST IN THE PAST

There's absolutely no reason to go down this road again. We've been there, done that, and hashed this out a thousand times. Rick started this thread about EGR issues and his CEL coming on again, and turning it into a bash-fest doesn't help anyone.

 

Excellent Post and I agree 100% there has never been a better Ford Truck Enthusiast than Rick.

 

Choice in brands, and competition is what America is. If all of us were drinking the kool aid, then we would be living in N Korea. Everyone one of us had made brand changes with one reason or another. Hanes or Fruit of the loom etc. Constantly posting negative comments about our trucks (kool aid) or the hundreds of professionals that make Ford a good brand and try to hurt their bottom line and post the results here is weird. Making changes or getting Ford to listen to some of us in a positive way, have been rewarded (changing their software to program 50 gallon fuel tank). I fell for the writing Ford customer service debacle because of one mans bad experience and felt that way at the time (drank kool aid). But actually am still impressed with my new truck and will reflect that in any survey I get from them.

Posts about how to improve the truck, or mod video from enthusiasts like epic and others, or reports from drivers who have 100K miles already without a pump blowing and if it did, they report back how their baby runs with a new pump, engine, etc, is why we come here. I heard about FTE when I was running into problems with my F150. Saved me a ton money the forum did.

What is strange here is the bad luck with not one but two 6.7L trucks. I would be heading over to get a Govt Motors to buy a one ton. I would prolly would post a sentence or two in that thread about that. = before kool aid. = after kool aid. Sorry for hi-jacking your post ricatic, and your experience with your trucks.

 

It's hard to be dispasionate about something we spend so much money for. These trucks are a "thing" just like anything else we own. However, guys seem to elevate their trucks to a higher position than just a "thing". I think this is just a man thing. Therefor, when the trucks are right, they are wonderful, when they aren't we're very unhappy. In my opinion that's how certain threads here can get a little out of whack once ion a while. It's hard to keep it on subject without a little passion creeping in. We still have a great group of people here.

Jim

 

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Rick if you are still out there has there been a resolution to your CELs yet? Sorry if I've missed it in the above back and forth...