E4OD or 4R100
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E4OD or 4R100
Looking to move my pickup back into the project spotlight. Just doing some more research. If you fellas were given the choice between 4r100 and e40d which way would ya go? Price reliablilitly longevity will all factor in here. Just to be on the safe side, lets assume 500whp, and abuse. Auto transmission are kinda beyond me so im going to rely on you smart guys runnin around here.
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Thats more along the lines of what im looking for. I guess i need to be more specific. If i was keeping my eye open for a trans to come up cheap local, should i hold out for an E4OD or 4r100.. or both? I assume i need a IDI E40D case, but i was thinking i could pick one up seperate if i needed to. I know 95+ E40D's are tougher.
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Thats more along the lines of what im looking for. I guess i need to be more specific. If i was keeping my eye open for a trans to come up cheap local, should i hold out for an E4OD or 4r100.. or both? I assume i need a IDI E40D case, but i was thinking i could pick one up seperate if i needed to. I know 95+ E40D's are tougher.
but what if you find a pre- '95 E40D that sill works fine that hasn't been rebuilt yet? in that case,after 20 yrs just how "weak" was the pre-'95 E40D's anyway?
find a working one,and slap her in there and run it 'til your burn 'er up.then worry about it latter.you might be years or done with the truck before it happens.
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Thats more along the lines of what im looking for. I guess i need to be more specific. If i was keeping my eye open for a trans to come up cheap local, should i hold out for an E4OD or 4r100.. or both? I assume i need a IDI E40D case, but i was thinking i could pick one up seperate if i needed to. I know 95+ E40D's are tougher.
Remember the early units will cost more to build in the long run. But if you're going to build it correctly (New everything) the price will be about the same for a 90 to 97 unit. The only recycled parts will be the drums, pistons valvebody, snap rings and output shaft. Everything else will be tossed in the scrap bin.
Pre 95 will have the "E" type front pump. You don't want that. Post 95 have the "F5" pump. You want that. Specially if you run a multi disk converter.
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Did a little searchgin around and found this - E4OD, 4R100 Transmission from PATC, E4OD, 4R100 Scroll down a ways to E40D Super Combo Kit.. that doesnt look too shabby. However i have no idea what it is, if its worth the $$ or if it has everything i will need. Whattya think trackspeeder?
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The kit will cover most of your parts. You will need to add a input shell. A bearing set. I would do the bushings too. Gear sets. 6 pin low reverse. This part is tough to find for the cast drum. You might need to use a stamped 4R drum.
6 pin forward. You should buy this with the updated hub. Use your original ring gear, if in good shape.
The kit will have two spiral lock snap rings. One in the tugger kit. The other is Sonnax. Use the Sonnax snap ring. Better part.
Depending on your tranny. The center support needs help. Upgrades are a ball bearing to replace the whimpy bushing set up. If this done. you will need to buy the bearing and use the Sonnax gasket for the hub. The gasket is in your kit.
You're not done with the center support yet. Sonnax offers a stabilizer ring kit for this part. Machine work is required for this part. You can go to Sun Toast transmissions. They offer the center support already modified, just drop in.
6 pin forward. You should buy this with the updated hub. Use your original ring gear, if in good shape.
The kit will have two spiral lock snap rings. One in the tugger kit. The other is Sonnax. Use the Sonnax snap ring. Better part.
Depending on your tranny. The center support needs help. Upgrades are a ball bearing to replace the whimpy bushing set up. If this done. you will need to buy the bearing and use the Sonnax gasket for the hub. The gasket is in your kit.
You're not done with the center support yet. Sonnax offers a stabilizer ring kit for this part. Machine work is required for this part. You can go to Sun Toast transmissions. They offer the center support already modified, just drop in.
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The kit will cover most of your parts. You will need to add a input shell. A bearing set. I would do the bushings too. Gear sets. 6 pin low reverse. This part is tough to find for the cast drum. You might need to use a stamped 4R drum.
6 pin forward. You should buy this with the updated hub. Use your original ring gear, if in good shape.
The kit will have two spiral lock snap rings. One in the tugger kit. The other is Sonnax. Use the Sonnax snap ring. Better part.
Depending on your tranny. The center support needs help. Upgrades are a ball bearing to replace the whimpy bushing set up. If this done. you will need to buy the bearing and use the Sonnax gasket for the hub. The gasket is in your kit.
You're not done with the center support yet. Sonnax offers a stabilizer ring kit for this part. Machine work is required for this part. You can go to Sun Toast transmissions. They offer the center support already modified, just drop in.
6 pin forward. You should buy this with the updated hub. Use your original ring gear, if in good shape.
The kit will have two spiral lock snap rings. One in the tugger kit. The other is Sonnax. Use the Sonnax snap ring. Better part.
Depending on your tranny. The center support needs help. Upgrades are a ball bearing to replace the whimpy bushing set up. If this done. you will need to buy the bearing and use the Sonnax gasket for the hub. The gasket is in your kit.
You're not done with the center support yet. Sonnax offers a stabilizer ring kit for this part. Machine work is required for this part. You can go to Sun Toast transmissions. They offer the center support already modified, just drop in.
. So i should look for a 95+ E40D or at this point does it even matter with replacing everything? Ive pretty much decided this thing is going BIG.. So right now im looking at building a 300ish cc V-pump, and i just ordered a set of 395 /85 / 20 (46x15.5x20) So this tranny is giong to go through hell. That kit seems like a good price to me, i just dont want to have to spend more on a transmission than i will on my engine.
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Later is always better.
To make your tranny last it will cost $$$$. Once you start digging in the dollars will start rolling. Once you are finished you will understand why the builders ask so much for their transmissions.
Here are two other part sources.
www.racerxusa.com
Transmission parts USA Automatic transmission parts
Besure to get both copies of the ATSG manuals. Study them
Have a good inch pound torque wrench. You will need a micrometer or a set of calipers to get measurements.
Most important. When using aftermarket frictions. Use the specs provided.
Ford specs do not apply in some cases.
To make your tranny last it will cost $$$$. Once you start digging in the dollars will start rolling. Once you are finished you will understand why the builders ask so much for their transmissions.
Here are two other part sources.
www.racerxusa.com
Transmission parts USA Automatic transmission parts
Besure to get both copies of the ATSG manuals. Study them
Have a good inch pound torque wrench. You will need a micrometer or a set of calipers to get measurements.
Most important. When using aftermarket frictions. Use the specs provided.
Ford specs do not apply in some cases.
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Plus they are cheeper and easier to handle. The factory manuals are huge.
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