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Old Nov 8, 2012 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by CPB1
My truck has the VXCF0. Any pros/cons about it? I do have a SCT tuner. I hear the injectors buzz when the key is turned on before start up. But not after it is shut off.

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That's the original strategy the truck was delivered with.

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Old Nov 8, 2012 | 07:33 PM
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I pulled this from my '06. I've owned it since 2010 and no flash during that time. Oasis had no references to flash. So it's a VXCF1D6? What? where does that fit in?

General Information
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Vehicle Identification Number
1FTSW21P16EB77xxx
Calibration ID - $7E8
VXCF1D6.HEX*
Calibration ID - $7ED
AMZ2AL12
Calibration ID - $7E9
TQCJ0DW.HEX
Calibration Verification Number - $7E9
C01817EB
Calibration Verification Number - $7E8
48420E7A
Calibration Verification Number - $7ED
8C27C977
 
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Old Nov 8, 2012 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rusty Axlerod
I pulled this from my '06. I've owned it since 2010 and no flash during that time. Oasis had no references to flash. So it's a VXCF1D6? What? where does that fit in?

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Vehicle Identification Number
1FTSW21P16EB77xxx
Calibration ID - $7E8
VXCF1D6.HEX*
Calibration ID - $7ED
AMZ2AL12
Calibration ID - $7E9
TQCJ0DW.HEX
Calibration Verification Number - $7E9
C01817EB
Calibration Verification Number - $7E8
48420E7A
Calibration Verification Number - $7ED
8C27C977
That would be the original flash for a 2006

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Old Nov 8, 2012 | 07:50 PM
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Ok, I guess that fits with what I think i know about the truck. It seems to run well, any reason to get it flashed? I've heard the last one has a couple of monitors added but may be a little down on power/ mpg on some trucks. Do you think the version i have will work well with a atlas40 FICM from Ed or would the latest flash work better?
 
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Old Nov 8, 2012 | 07:55 PM
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You couldn't pay me to load the newest strategy on my truck.

So, is the injector buzz/ induction heating part of the ECM strategy or FICM strategy?

That where I am really second guessing what I used to think in regards to strategies.

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Old Nov 8, 2012 | 07:56 PM
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Thanks

I don't see anyone else running this? The truck runs fine so I am not going to update, just wondering.


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Old Nov 8, 2012 | 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by CPB1
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I don't see anyone else running this? The truck runs fine so I am not going to update, just wondering.


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In Fall 2006 Ford started really pushing the Flash updates. During that time I took a fleet of work trucks, plus my own personal truck to have the updates. At that time it was the "Buzz" flash.

Spring 2007 is when I believe they came out with the new Induction flash. I did not bother to update any of the work trucks, nor my personal truck.

Although we had a 2004 F350 in September of 2007 that went in for warranty work and came out with that new flash.

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Old Nov 8, 2012 | 09:43 PM
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OK Thanks

I also heard that every time a truck was updated with a new flash Ford would "detune" them so they would have less problems. I don't know about that. I can say I test drove a 2007 F250, and it ran very weak. It made noise, and went down the road, but felt like it had no pulling power. It had to be the tune. I test drove a few trucks before I got mine and the others pulled well, some of them really well, again the tune.


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Old Nov 8, 2012 | 09:53 PM
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It seems to me there are 3 basic strategies for 05-07:

The as delivered, early strategies were hard on injectors, and suffered stiction etc.

The middle 4/5 strategies did really well, although detuned "slightly" Injectors were happy and the FICM was healthy too. One key point... International stopped updating their own trucks once the "Buzz" flash was released.

The later 7/9 strategies, especially Version 7 (nicknamed FICM Killer) are hard on the FICM. So the injectors are happy, but the FICM suffers for it. Major detune and major reduction in MPG as well.


The only thing I truly noticed when going from as delivered model year 2005 to the "Buzz" flash was my truck could no longer run 15W40 in temps below 40 or so. I used 15W40 from late 2004 to Fall of 2006 and my truck started well below 0 with 15W40 no issues. Once my truck was updated that was no longer the case and I had to switch to 10W30 and sometimes 5W40.


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Old Nov 8, 2012 | 10:35 PM
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Even with a fleet of trucks you don't notice a difference in the way they run from truck to truck? I can remember very clearly the way each truck I test drove ran. We went from York Pa to Manasses Va to look at trucks.I was looking at used trucks with 100k plus miles One I know had an Edge right on the dash. Another I drove had to be tuned it ran so good. If I were to buy that one, how would I know what tune was programmed into it? I am a believer that a tuner makes the biggest difference in the way these trucks perform.

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Old Nov 8, 2012 | 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by CPB1
Even with a fleet of trucks you don't notice a difference in the way they run from truck to truck? I can remember very clearly the way each truck I test drove ran. We went from York Pa to Manasses Va to look at trucks.I was looking at used trucks with 100k plus miles One I know had an Edge right on the dash. Another I drove had to be tuned it ran so good. If I were to buy that one, how would I know what tune was programmed into it? I am a believer that a tuner makes the biggest difference in the way these trucks perform.

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I left that company in 2009, but I didn't notice much of a difference in the work trucks. My 2005 F250 company truck ran exactly like my own 2005 F250.

However, we also had some leftover 7.3 trucks... holy crap there was a difference in those. I felt really bad for a 2000 F550 7.3 with around 225,000 miles on it. Started and ran like butt and I was constantly fixing one thing or another on it. It certainly had a rough life.

Whereas a supervisor still drove a 1999 F350 with over 400,000 miles on it and it ran great. It would need the a/c recharged every now and then and new starter at one point, but that truck was pretty good.

The 2004 6.0 I mentioned earlier was definately the redheaded step-child of the company 6.0 trucks. It was the owner's truck until December 2006, replaced an ICP sensor, under warranty, then became a pipeline superintendent's truck. Installed an Edge tuner.

Ate the injectors. Replaced under warranty. Ate the Turbo. Warranty again.

Passed on to a pipeline supervisor who drove drunk and drove into a pole then proceeded to drive around for bit until he ran the engine out of oil. Replaced the front end and back in service around Fall 2008.

Pretty sure the head gaskets and EGR were blown by spring of 2009, but I was done with that company and have no idea what became of that disaster.

I'll add that not ONE of the other fleet 6.0 trucks EVER had to go into the dealer for service work. Nada, zip, zilch.

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Old Nov 9, 2012 | 02:52 AM
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Why the buzz of the injectors at shut down?

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Old Nov 9, 2012 | 06:45 AM
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Cycles the injectors to prevent stiction

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Old Nov 9, 2012 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Bullitt390
I left that company in 2009, but I didn't notice much of a difference in the work trucks. My 2005 F250 company truck ran exactly like my own 2005 F250.

However, we also had some leftover 7.3 trucks... holy crap there was a difference in those. I felt really bad for a 2000 F550 7.3 with around 225,000 miles on it. Started and ran like butt and I was constantly fixing one thing or another on it. It certainly had a rough life.

Whereas a supervisor still drove a 1999 F350 with over 400,000 miles on it and it ran great. It would need the a/c recharged every now and then and new starter at one point, but that truck was pretty good.

The 2004 6.0 I mentioned earlier was definately the redheaded step-child of the company 6.0 trucks. It was the owner's truck until December 2006, replaced an ICP sensor, under warranty, then became a pipeline superintendent's truck. Installed an Edge tuner.

Ate the injectors. Replaced under warranty. Ate the Turbo. Warranty again.

Passed on to a pipeline supervisor who drove drunk and drove into a pole then proceeded to drive around for bit until he ran the engine out of oil. Replaced the front end and back in service around Fall 2008.

Pretty sure the head gaskets and EGR were blown by spring of 2009, but I was done with that company and have no idea what became of that disaster.

I'll add that not ONE of the other fleet 6.0 trucks EVER had to go into the dealer for service work. Nada, zip, zilch.

Josh
That is very interesting, thanks for sharing.

You were able to maintain or help maintain a fleet of 6L trucks. I would love to get my hands dirty on many 6L trucks, just to see all the trending problems they have. It would make me more confident when working on my own truck. That is why I like this forum so much.

Sorry, this a little off topic.


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