Joe you look at the people posting at the time of the "95%" market penetration, (as you called it) and you will find most of us still happily running our dp tunes and no problems.

 

Mark,

To respond to your post, when Jody started tuning and DP-Tuner came into this market there were not many choices for custom tuners around for the 7.3l. A few had left to pursue the 6.0 market and other things. Company's went under or split up and went into different markets. Very few came thru the late y2k's without losing their tails.

Many feel that because of "blown motors" and bad press we are doomed. Because we are stil in business the branding iron is still being used to ensue us "Bad Fortune". They don't realize that before there were a gazzillion forums many other companies "of the day" went thru being blamed for "blown motors". They had bad press and are still around today, thriving! It's unfortunate that all the archives on TDS are gone or I could link to the threads from ten years ago. (Oh Wait....links...not a good idea...)

I give tribute to our faith, determination and customers to our successful business. 9 yrs and counting.

Thanks for posting Mark.

 

I see and hear this myself. Jody and I are trying to "remote" live-tune Stinky - I log and make observations, he adjusts. ICP is the noise and it's not a bad thing because higher ICP will give better atomization.

I don't have experience at throwing very expensive parts together to learn what works (and doesn't), but part of my career is something very similar to what I am doing with Stinky - record data for a baseline, make a change, record the changes. My AE has recorded a lot of data, and I've had to make a filing system to organize the results of each mod. From this, I learned that my old, tired stock injectors were drained in about 4ms at 2500 PSI ICP. A brand new Single Shot 160 will drain in 4ms at about 2500 PSI ICP... I have charts and graphs if you'd like me to back it up.

Those with eleveated tunes will lose the elevated tunes when they pull their TS or DP chip to send it in for reprogram... leaving the truck feeling whimpy compared to what the driver is used to. I see many drivers comment on this. I can link to the comments if needed.

That's easily said when you have custom everything and water injection in your signature, but we mere mortals with stock stuff have to push the limits a bit to get the bigger power we seek. What you really mean to say is "Get bigger stuff like I have and then you can run the hottest tune you can get."

I share my experiences with DP, yes... but I don't say anything against the TS or any tuner who programs them. CSIPSD feels I'm so pro DP because I'm not as anti DP as he is. Read my post that you copied and show me the part where I said anything against the TS.

Readers... there's nothing wrong with a member having the "because I said so" approach, but it's nice to have a community of voices to share the whys, hows, and other details to either validate or counter a declaration.

 

My wifes Excursion has AC's, a 38R, intake and exhaust...

I can tow my 34' TT with her Excursion on her hottest tune (dyno at 360hp) and do it all day.

You control your EGT's with your RIGHT FOOT... You can control them more if needed with your RIGHT HAND...

You do NOT need 12 tunes on any truck...

 

Surely! And you can read 24 gauges and data log them all at once.

 

Agreed!!! ^^^^^^^

 

I surely can data log 17 gauges...

But the Excursion only has 7 gauges so...

One good thing about the Excursion, its never been violated by your tuning... I sleep well at night knowing that fact.

 

Thanks to your experienced input, I have ACs and a 38R and I'd have to agree I need far fewer tunes to make my current configuration keep cool. I'm probably going to run a tow tune (I like the transmission tuning in that), an economy tune (transmission again), and a muted tune for driving on snow and ice. Other than that, I no longer need the different HP tunes... but I still use the tool tunes.

The stockers were different. The tuning could push a higher limit when towing 3000 pounds, but pulling 9000 pounds forces you to back off. When I had my stockers, I could either marry my eye to the gauges on a hill, or just tune down and drive relaxed - the tuner was making my job easier. Did I need 2 tow tunes before now? No. Do I need a coffee window tune? No. Did I need any tuner at all with my stock sticks? No. Guess what... I bought 'em all.

I'd say I'm sorry this upsets you, but I just can't quite reach far enough.

 

What are you using to capture the data all at the same time?

Never know, you did buy it used!!!!

 

Isspro Performax Gauges...

Can data log up to 17 gauges connected to the ESP...

 

This thread has been viewed more than 1934 times. Including by people like me who have neither knowledge nor experience ... but would like to learn about programmers from those who do.

It's hard not to like Tugly for his enthusiasm, intellect and willingness to share his experiences as he moves forward. He stood up, loaded up, and shot his bazooka and we all want to see if he hit his mark.

And you gotta respect CSIPSD for his knowledge and experience.

But so far, fordpride has provided the most useful information to people like me by actually explaining his experience with each of the tuners he has tried. And I like it that he drew our attention to Dave Whitmer's modifications for hypermiling the 7.3 (which confirms CSIPSD's statements re mpg expectations with replacement injectors).

And I fear that there is a "yee hah!" factor which happens when people spend a whole lot of money on injectors and tunes and experience the increased horsepower which, they may ultimately find either reduces engine longetivity or affects drivability or safety.

So, I am waiting for Tugly to settle in with his new set up as he continues sharing his experiences with all of us.

In the meantime, CSIPSD if you are not muzzled by the moderators, I at least would like your opinions on each of the tunes you have used and your experiences with each of them. Or if you have already discussed that, at least a link to the thread where you have.

I like the adversarial system for acquiring knowledge, but I, for one, would like to see a fight with less invective, more facts and, maybe, a little humor.

Dude, that movie with subtitles rocks!

 

Well said^

 

i would love for this thread to keep going i am learning alot. I feel like picking the right tuner is one of the hardest decisions i have had to make yet. i am not settled on anything yet but this thread is a big help.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>

 

It was kind of brought up a few posts back, but one of the major benefits to DP is that their chips can hold up to 16 programs (plus position 0 as stock or no start), which makes the decision of what tunes to leave out a much easier one. That's one drawback to the TS chip (regardless of the programmer), it only holds six tunes including stock. So the "tool" tunes like no start, valet, quiet/drivethru mode, tend to get sacrificed.

Also, DP has the capability with one of their chips to download new tunes from a laptop via USB. The TS chip has to be sent back to the programmer to be reburned unless you purchase the burner.


On the other hand, DP chips can only hold DP tunes whereas TS chips can hold tunes from many different tuners. If PHP tunes aren't working for you, you can send the chip to Beans and pay him to burn his tunes on it or vice versa. No need to pay for new hardware just because the tunes aren't your thing.

Another hardware difference is the switch. DP offeres several styles of switches in several colors. As far as I know, the only switch for a TS chip is the rotary dial.

Then there are always the touchscreen/display/multi function interfaces.

Guess that's pretty much what I've learned about the hardware. Still getting into that nitty gritty on the software side though...

 

TS chip burner provides the same capabilities as F6. The PHP FU and FU2 packages for example include the burner and access to their tune database.

edit: just went to their site and noticed those packages have been discontinued in anticipation of a new design...