. I'll look into Beans and the others too CSIPSD, just figired I could poke the hornets nest again, being as I don't have a dog in the fight lol
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From: Hat Creek Ca
Thanks Tugly,
I assume by draining the injectors you mean that they are maxed out at full capability? When I run the 80E I do get the most in mialage but it makes quite a bit more noise. I also just have a stock trans with about 120K since the "mechanical diode" gave up on the original owner at 35K, so I don't race around much. Plan on a JW trans in the (distant) future when necessary. Maybe a VB for now. I've read a lot of good things about BTS as well but John is much closer.
Please pardon the typos, my right hand went numb three weeks ago and I am having a hard time finding a Doc that gives a rip.
I assume by draining the injectors you mean that they are maxed out at full capability? When I run the 80E I do get the most in mialage but it makes quite a bit more noise. I also just have a stock trans with about 120K since the "mechanical diode" gave up on the original owner at 35K, so I don't race around much. Plan on a JW trans in the (distant) future when necessary. Maybe a VB for now. I've read a lot of good things about BTS as well but John is much closer.
Please pardon the typos, my right hand went numb three weeks ago and I am having a hard time finding a Doc that gives a rip.
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From: Bend, OR
...and I'm a hairless ugly guy. I have AutoEnginuity (link in my sig) and I record all the fueling during my test drives. 80e drains the injectors... there ain't no more to give after that. As I have never had a wild tune, I don't know what they do to get more horsepower above and beyond a drained injector, but I do know it heats the EGTs too much to be a daily driver. hydro man 17 looks like he has mountains to play with... as do I. I have the 60e and 80e Mountain tunes and it really makes a difference between Mountain and regular tunes.
For those (with stock systems) wanting to have the biggest, baddest tune - remember you can't drive it like that all the time... so it becomes a "tool" tune. A tool tune can be really beneficial (like a decel tune while towing downhill), or fun (like a race tune), but you don't drive in either for long. Save your money on tunes and use it to get a consumer uploadable chip (I make words up as I go). I have the F6 (TS-style chip has its own version of this) and I started with fewer tunes than I have now. It's so easy to change/add tunes - get online, order the tune, it's emailed to me and I upload it to the tuner with my netbook. Ta-daah. I didn't like the sequence of the tunes on the selector, so I re-arranged them. I didn't like the shifts with my HD transmission, so Jody dialed my tunes for the HD and emailed them to me. I bought injectors and a turbo, so Jody is customizing my tunes for me. No yanking it out, no shipping, no waiting for the mail with a limp truck in the driveway, NO EXPENSE! If your tune isn't correct out of the box, you get free tuning tweaks for a while. I bought my injectors from DP after I had my F6 for a while, and all my tune upgrades are free. Because my truck now has custom components, I work directly with Jody while dialing the tunes in for a custom truck.
This isn't a sales pitch just for DP Tuner - it is a demonstration of the type of service and hardware you would want from whichever vendor you choose. There are many great vendors out there with TS-style chips, I chose DP for my own reasons.
Advice: Get more info, never just trust any one member here (including me) because we all make mistakes and we all have different trucks (they behave differently after many miles and years) with different uses for them and different driving styles.
For those (with stock systems) wanting to have the biggest, baddest tune - remember you can't drive it like that all the time... so it becomes a "tool" tune. A tool tune can be really beneficial (like a decel tune while towing downhill), or fun (like a race tune), but you don't drive in either for long. Save your money on tunes and use it to get a consumer uploadable chip (I make words up as I go). I have the F6 (TS-style chip has its own version of this) and I started with fewer tunes than I have now. It's so easy to change/add tunes - get online, order the tune, it's emailed to me and I upload it to the tuner with my netbook. Ta-daah. I didn't like the sequence of the tunes on the selector, so I re-arranged them. I didn't like the shifts with my HD transmission, so Jody dialed my tunes for the HD and emailed them to me. I bought injectors and a turbo, so Jody is customizing my tunes for me. No yanking it out, no shipping, no waiting for the mail with a limp truck in the driveway, NO EXPENSE! If your tune isn't correct out of the box, you get free tuning tweaks for a while. I bought my injectors from DP after I had my F6 for a while, and all my tune upgrades are free. Because my truck now has custom components, I work directly with Jody while dialing the tunes in for a custom truck.
This isn't a sales pitch just for DP Tuner - it is a demonstration of the type of service and hardware you would want from whichever vendor you choose. There are many great vendors out there with TS-style chips, I chose DP for my own reasons.
Advice: Get more info, never just trust any one member here (including me) because we all make mistakes and we all have different trucks (they behave differently after many miles and years) with different uses for them and different driving styles.
How much PW does it take to empty a 140cc AD?
Why would your truck be a limp truck while waiting for tunes?
Why cant you drive your truck all the time in the hottest tune you can get?
EVERY THING you post is a sales pitch for DP tuner, for me and many others they are the last tuner in the business I would run...
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From: Bend, OR
Thanks Tugly,
I assume by draining the injectors you mean that they are maxed out at full capability? When I run the 80E I do get the most in mialage but it makes quite a bit more noise. I also just have a stock trans with about 120K since the "mechanical diode" gave up on the original owner at 35K, so I don't race around much. Plan on a JW trans in the (distant) future when necessary. Maybe a VB for now. I've read a lot of good things about BTS as well but John is much closer.
Please pardon the typos, my right hand went numb three weeks ago and I am having a hard time finding a Doc that gives a rip.
I assume by draining the injectors you mean that they are maxed out at full capability? When I run the 80E I do get the most in mialage but it makes quite a bit more noise. I also just have a stock trans with about 120K since the "mechanical diode" gave up on the original owner at 35K, so I don't race around much. Plan on a JW trans in the (distant) future when necessary. Maybe a VB for now. I've read a lot of good things about BTS as well but John is much closer.
Please pardon the typos, my right hand went numb three weeks ago and I am having a hard time finding a Doc that gives a rip.
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From: Bend, OR
This forum USED to be 95% DP tuner... Look at sigs now... There is a reason why you see FAR less people running DP now... Some have Cummins conversions, some have new motors... Some have given up and gone back to stock or newer motors...
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From: Longview, TX
I'd like to get down to the nitty gritty personally. I wanna know what's going on with a tune, what exactly are we telling the computer to do? I saw you mention increasing the timing, I'm assuming fuel pressure is another factor. I know some tunes can soften shift points and help the transmission.
Can some of DP fans explain why they prefer DP, and what it is doing?
And fans of other tuners, like beans etc, what are they doing and why do you prefer them?
I did a lot of research several years ago, and pretty much settled on DP. But I was young back then and didn't know anything about my truck. Now i'm a little less young, and I finally figured out where the dipstick is...
Can some of DP fans explain why they prefer DP, and what it is doing?
And fans of other tuners, like beans etc, what are they doing and why do you prefer them?
I did a lot of research several years ago, and pretty much settled on DP. But I was young back then and didn't know anything about my truck. Now i'm a little less young, and I finally figured out where the dipstick is...
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From: Pea Ridge, AR
I'd like to get down to the nitty gritty personally. I wanna know what's going on with a tune, what exactly are we telling the computer to do? I saw you mention increasing the timing, I'm assuming fuel pressure is another factor. I know some tunes can soften shift points and help the transmission.
Can some of DP fans explain why they prefer DP, and what it is doing?
And fans of other tuners, like beans etc, what are they doing and why do you prefer them?
I did a lot of research several years ago, and pretty much settled on DP. But I was young back then and didn't know anything about my truck. Now i'm a little less young, and I finally figured out where the dipstick is...
Can some of DP fans explain why they prefer DP, and what it is doing?
And fans of other tuners, like beans etc, what are they doing and why do you prefer them?
I did a lot of research several years ago, and pretty much settled on DP. But I was young back then and didn't know anything about my truck. Now i'm a little less young, and I finally figured out where the dipstick is...
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From: Bend, OR
Fuel pressure is not controled by the PCM. It is what it is...
ICP pressures are controled by the PCM.
I should NOT get into the nitty gritty of tuning, it tends to get the moderators on my backside...
ICP pressures are controled by the PCM.
I should NOT get into the nitty gritty of tuning, it tends to get the moderators on my backside...
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From: Longview, TX
Don't tempt me, they don't make these engines anymore, mine has to last another 50 years... Maybe one day.
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From: Bend, OR
I've said for several years that I am going to get that set up...Just always something else that comes up.
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From: Livoina,La
I've never ran DP tunes are have the desire to. The fact that no one else will burn tunes on a DP chip turned me away. If I want to change tuners it's nice not to have to buy another chip.
I've ran superchip 1705(programmer), TS performance tunes, PHP, and now BTS (Brian's tunes not Cales) the 1705 was better the the TS tunes. PHP was better then the TS and 1705 but still wasn't happy with PHP. The pedal was to touchy and lots of smoke. I went through 3 reburns and the went with BTS. Nice clean smooth pedal, very little smoke, a lot more power and my trans has never shift as good as it does now with the BTS tunes
I've ran superchip 1705(programmer), TS performance tunes, PHP, and now BTS (Brian's tunes not Cales) the 1705 was better the the TS tunes. PHP was better then the TS and 1705 but still wasn't happy with PHP. The pedal was to touchy and lots of smoke. I went through 3 reburns and the went with BTS. Nice clean smooth pedal, very little smoke, a lot more power and my trans has never shift as good as it does now with the BTS tunes
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From: Longview, TX
Ok, but when you say "better," how? Why? What did you not like that made you decide to change? Just going by feel and throttle response, shift points? Power? Is that what everyone means when the say "better" or are there other factors to keep in mind? I know as an operator that's pretty much what I'd want, but as an owner with fuel consumption, lower egts, safer performance, etc...
I know it's too broad for any one post to answer, I'm just trying to figure out what questions to ask if that makes sense.
I know it's too broad for any one post to answer, I'm just trying to figure out what questions to ask if that makes sense.
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From: Livoina,La
What I didn't like
1705: shift to hard
TS: performance just sucked bad
PHP:go pedal was real touchy, WOT was at half throttle, trans would shift to OD at 38mph (no matter what tune I was in), smoked way to much if I pushed the pedal a 1/4 throttle it would black fog the cars behind me
1705: shift to hard
TS: performance just sucked bad
PHP:go pedal was real touchy, WOT was at half throttle, trans would shift to OD at 38mph (no matter what tune I was in), smoked way to much if I pushed the pedal a 1/4 throttle it would black fog the cars behind me
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Thanks Tugly,
I assume by draining the injectors you mean that they are maxed out at full capability? When I run the 80E I do get the most in mialage but it makes quite a bit more noise. I also just have a stock trans with about 120K since the "mechanical diode" gave up on the original owner at 35K, so I don't race around much. Plan on a JW trans in the (distant) future when necessary. Maybe a VB for now. I've read a lot of good things about BTS as well but John is much closer.
Please pardon the typos, my right hand went numb three weeks ago and I am having a hard time finding a Doc that gives a rip.
I assume by draining the injectors you mean that they are maxed out at full capability? When I run the 80E I do get the most in mialage but it makes quite a bit more noise. I also just have a stock trans with about 120K since the "mechanical diode" gave up on the original owner at 35K, so I don't race around much. Plan on a JW trans in the (distant) future when necessary. Maybe a VB for now. I've read a lot of good things about BTS as well but John is much closer.
Please pardon the typos, my right hand went numb three weeks ago and I am having a hard time finding a Doc that gives a rip.
Raised ICP with less fueling will raise the sound pitch a bit. All that can be adjusted, but when done it will not help with fuel mileage. It will increase the smoke and increase EGT's. The end result is decreased fuel mileage.
Jody
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