I hate to burst peoples bubble, but the EPA is going to FORCE us into rice-mobiles within the next 15 to 20 years. They will most likely outlaw all engines over 2 cylinders, and any car that isn't a hybrid, or non-convention fuel.... Just some food for thought.

 

If the EPA wants to take whatever fossil fuel burning, tire smoking, V-8 powered vehicle I own at the time they better send a armored tow truck and a couple of SWAT teams cuz I ain't giving it up without a fight.

 

EPA

they ain't taking my truck..

How the heck I going to haul hay,gravel,equiment,atv's and stuff in a Nova???

 

All the trucks will be Honda, Hybrid, front wheel drive trucks that are 1/2 inch off the ground, and can carry a whole 100 pounds of payload.

 

Honda trucks, thats a riot!
Look at the CRV, pilot and the element, they all suck hard. The only good "Hond" truck was the pass port and gues what, its a rebadged isuzu (wich can make a d@mn good truck in my opinion). Ill laugh when honda hits the truck market, but alas us full size truck "rednecks" are a dieing breed

 

Element isn't that bad I like them!! Now if you want to tow anything bigger then an ATV your screwed, but its aimed at young people fresh out of college(like me in a couple years) who dont have a TON of cash but have a good job, who like to do alot of camping/mountainbiking/skiing. Payload is perfect for such a task and gets good fuel milage to boot.


I was reading an article about california pre-smog days and how you couldn't even take a deep breath anywhere near one of the race tracks down their (I'd have to look it up to be sure of the name)


I still think that all these new vehicles have a place, and for those who need to be driving a truck (for whatever reason) then we still can.


Chado

 

one of those new hondas have a very boxy construction, I don't remember which though. Its gotta be the ugliest SUV I've ever seen. and its like half plastic too


now I like the look of the piolet, I still wouldn't buy one though, (if it was given to me i would take it then sell it!)

 

Was that Lancer in the motor trend mag all tricked out? I would have to think so. And I bet it took a lot to beat a new SVT cobra. With that SVT cobra, you can slap a cold air intake, new supercharger pulley, and a full exhaust and dip into the 11s, you can't beat that bang for the buck easily. The point of the matter is, yes you can make a crappy civic go fast, but it takes a lot to make it keep up with the big V-8s, and that's just in stock form. What happens when you buy a mustang, and buy a civic. Dump 10k on each, how fast do you think the mustang will be running, and then the civic? My money is on the mustang, by far. For some reason it seems like ricers think it's an unbelieveable feat that they can mod there car to beat a stock V-8 powered car. They get a big charge out of having a "civic" beat "a V-8". First, took you a lot of money to do it. Second, take that money and put it into a V-8 car and you'll be going a lot faster for the same money. I can make a 5hp lawn mower have 40hp, come on now! It's not that amazing and they need to get over themselves. A lot of this kids don't even know what fast is. I was in a co-workers civic (18 year old) and it's a stock car and I was like "are you giving it all you have" and hes says "uh...no not really"...(um ya he was i could tell haha) and i was like....wow thats it?...my truck will beat that! he wasn't happy!

 

I agree that within the next 25 years the fuel sources will begin to be majority of something different, but nothing over 2 cylinders? I think that might be stretching a little. You can't even buy a personal watercraft (jet ski) new with 2 cylinders anymore - they are all 3 or 4 - and pushing toward the 4 cylinder 4 strokes.

There are too many reasons they cannot do away with large engines altogether. You still need the power for trailers, work trucks, etc, and a 4 cylinder cannot create the power in an efficient manner to produce the power needed to do these jobs.

Also look at what happened not too long ago - Tax Breaks and cuts for those who buy a Diesel, Trucks, or SUV's. Wonder why they are trying to add incentive in the market to buy the vehicles who supposedly burn more fuel and have the worst effects on the environment... hhhhmmmmm....

Oh - Red_EB - Thanks... Never really thought of myself in a rice category either...

 

MustangGT221: Come on now! You can't believe that a new air induction, exhaust system, and pulley will take two whole seconds off of the Cobra do you? I'm not trying to start something here but that sounds a little like what those ricers think.....A new induction, exhaust, and pulley I'm guessing would give a max. of 30+ HP because SVT already has the car tuned pretty well. Keep in mind that this is the 4.6 not the 5.4. There is no way that 30 HP will take two seconds off of a car in the quarter. Now if you reallt rebuilt that engine with the right parts you could probably get another 100 HP out of it, maybe more. Just to compare: The Viper (500HP) and 300 pounds lighter than the Stang makes the quarter at 11.77 sec@123.63 mph. Just as a guess I would think that the Mustang would need near that same HP to make that good of time.
Now, just to clear something up...I LOVE the new SVT Cobra and I was pretty happy with the times it made in this test. I would really like to see a supercharged 5.4 in it though. Also, I'm not a ricer lover just in case anyone was wondering. lol I'm just trying to be impartial towards them.
Oh yeah, you mentioned that the Lancer was probably all tricked out....it is! That is about as much power as you could get out of that engine without going to NOS. But I was just showing how a decked out ricer can keep up with a sportscar pretty well.
True, you can take a V8 any time of the day and build it right, and it'll leave all of the ricers in the dust no matter how many mods they have.

 

I'm not sure exactly what MustangGT meant by "tricked out", but I think he might have been saying that it was extensively modified and not a production vehicle - which isn't the case, as the Lancer Evo is a production vehicle with a factory warranty (about $29K at your local Mistubishi dealer). It's basically one of the WRC rally cars that they finally got around to importing to the United States, like the Subaru WRX, or the WRX STi which is coming later this fall with 300hp or so. The Evo is actually faster in race trim, as they had to detune it a bit to meet US regulations and hit their price target - and I suppose the production model could probably be made just as fast, depending on what they changed in the U.S. version.

All these cars are all-wheel-drive, by the way - and when you combine a 300hp AWD subcompact car and a dirt road, you end up with something so fun it should be illegal. Even for an old fart like me!

I've driven the WRX, haven't driven the Evo yet - but I remember the first version of the Evo from my rally days. While these cars do pretty good on pavement, they really shine on gravel and dirt roads - and in their element, it'd be tough to build a Mustang that could keep up with them even with mods (unless one of the mods was AWD).

Ford has a couple similar cars, like the Cosworth Escorts or the AWD Focus - but unfortunately you can't buy any of them in the United States. We had one guy who was racing in an AWD Dodge Omni, which was putting out well over 400hp...most all I ever saw of his car was the tail-lights, unless he was parked. I didn't have enough money to compete with that sort of thing...I could have been competetive, as the mods were out there, but I couldn't afford them.

LK

 

I absolutly hate ricers. and for several reasons first i was born in 1984 thats 43 years after pearl Harbor but i cant forgive them for attacking us with out a reason, second the people who drive these dont do the work to them themselves but talk like they know how to work on them. Also they get the worst attitude like their cars can beat anything, even after you beat them they wont mess with you but still act like they are top sh#%. And in the First movie what is the point of wrecking that beautiful Dodge Charger that is American muscle and history that cant be brought back. but they wrecked it like it was nothing i know most of you dont like Dodges but you gotta agree that the charger was one of the greatest cars ever built.
I have raced and beaten several ricers, remember i said once u beat em they wont mess with you, one time a ricer did after i beat i pulled into a gas station and this idiot followed me, and started chewing me out. After a while of this i had enuf and I ended up doing something I shouldnt have but felt great afterward. I picked this skinny no muscle loser up and well ruffed him up quite a bit the cops talked to me but didnt do anything because the kid spouted off to them majorly. Plus he was to scared of me to press charges.
Once to make fun of these ricers me and some buddies of mine took a friends 1986 Buick Lasbre and dress it up like a ricer putting several stickers on it, an actual coffee can, and racing stripes made of duct tape, along with a wing on the trunk we made of scrap and welded together.
I just hate listening to the sound of flies and bumble bees and cant imagin why anyone would want to make their cars sound like one. And having an attitude that would make Alice Kooper sick.I might post more later but i have to go now, maybe beat some more ricers till then!

 

ok... just got back from topping of the oil in my moms caddy and while I was there I had noticed a black civic ex (huge silver wing, front bumper,coffee can, and don't forget the stickers!) getting his car washed so when the guys were done, I went up the the guy which was about 24 years old. I asked him " How much HP do you have, and what have you done to your car besides the obvious, he replied "I've got a VTEC controller, header, intake manifold, 2.5" pipes all the way then the ugly 4.5"-5" tip, cold air intake, a few other minor things.
what kind of HP are we looking at here? I know that the stock 2000 Civic EX(2-door) has around 127 hp@ around 6600 RPM...

oh and I was like yeah this cars got around 300 HP stock, and its got the 4.6L DOHC 32 valve V-8 and he said yeah those cars have very good pickup and then he said its a tank but its still quick. He ended with its a Cadillac and its basically maintenance free. So I drove off. what did he mean by that? maintenance free?

 

Most certainly will. Put a lightning pulley on there, cold air intake and exhaust and you'll barely run 11.9s. I saw it in a magazine, forget which one. It's not a full two seconds, that would mean the cobra runs 14s which is certainly not true. I'm talking about the newer cobra stock with 390hp.

 

I agree with mustang over here.. the guy sitting next to me RIGHT now at work owns an 03 Cobra it does stock a 12 something with pulley and chip $500 for both and a full exhaust $1200 the full headers back and 4.10 gears $700 installed at the dealer and tyhe car runs in the 10s without the gears it is in mid to low 11s it is amazing the cost of the car is high, but it has alot of easy cheap upgrdes, I think that is what Fords plan was is putting out a 'only 400'hp car for liabilty, that can VERY easily be upgraded into the 10s