Man, this stinks... what's even more frustrating is I see BOTH sides to this. As said earlier, some of us are green behind the ears and need the guys who know their stuff to be willing to wade through the same crap over and over until it sticks. I know for a fact AND from experience that when some people get to where something makes so much freaking sense, it can be hard to be able to put themselves in the other person's shoes and remember what it was like back when they didn't get it. Yeah, some of the "same ol' crap" gets brought up many a time, but it keeps the info fresh and always there to read, especially for the newer users who get on and read on a regular basis.

Something I mentioned before, but I'll say again: it isn't because of people who don't know for sure, it's because of people who don't know who lead on and talk like they do know. Last I checked, the forums were of NO CHARGE to it's users, but donations were welcome. As far as I know, there are no requirements for correct information... if someone want's 100% correct info, then they need to go pay for some manuals. Forums IMHO are for guys to share what they know, right or wrong... it's then up to the end user to use discretion in what he decides to accept and we he decides to disregard.

But here's where something else comes into play... I haven't seen this mentioned so I'm gonna give it a whirl. There's a responsibility by members to use discretion in how they present their knowledge, info, opinions, questions, whatever. Like I said in the first part of my post, there's nothing wrong with a guy saying "Hey, I read a few weeks ago of a guy who was able to do "blank" to fix his problem". A comment like that is wrong when the author preaches it like fact just because he read it... that's when it get's messed up. If one doesn't know for sure but he'd heard of something similar, all he has to do is leave room for an "I could be wrong". That, coupled with the reader's responsibility to make sure he uses discretion in what he does/uses to arrive at his conclusion, is harmless IMHO.

And one last thing... yes, there's those who wanna be a butt, make smoke, noise, etc. But there are still plenty of folks who are really serious about their trucks. Most start out just looking to fix stuff (like me) and find out there's more to it than just a Superchips tuner. Next thing you know, you've got yet another runaway with PMS. However, most of us still have that "guy bone" that hits us every now and again. I'm serious about making my truck right, but there's still something funny about farting some smoke every now and again, especially on the rice burners. I like no muffler because I like the tone, not because I want more noise... so do alot of other guys.

Cody, I see what you're saying... it's exasperating when people disregard those who have experience just because of one thing they read. They're the ones that are the idiots. That's not good research or reasoning behind their decision... the thing is, it's not gonna change. It's gonna only get worse and all we're gonna do is make ourselves feel worse by letting it get to us. Let the dummies head on down the road and screw up their trucks. The good guys are the ones that will hang around, listen to those that know, and not pass on stuff unless it's 1) either fact, or 2) obvious that they may or may not be right.

Just my $.02... I really hate threads like this, but that's how I see it. There are two sides.

 

Good luck Cody, you were cocky and brash at times but you were honest and thats what counts, good luck on your endevoures.

 

I agree with everything you say. In fact, I agree with almost everything that's been posted on this because like you, I can see many perspectives and right/wrong doesn't have a clear line of demarcation here.

You mention a responsibility by the the members. I'd like to believe that as well - but there is no responsibility to be delved out to the posters. If I were to say "Adding water to the oil increased my fuel economy by 5%", would I be held accountable for the damage done by poor sap that tried it? Nope. No reponsibility on the advisor's part at all. The beauty of the forum is it's a collective. If I really typed that and posted it, I would be shouted down in caps from every forum member that felt a sense of responsibility and decency.

The way you phrased it reflects well on you, it implies you're head doesn't have frequently flyer miles to the same realm as those who don't care enough or know enough to post responsibly. One person might actually believe their experience with something applies to somebody else's truck, and they are providing a great service by trying to convince the OP to do what they did. They are acting in a way that is responsible - as far as they know. In a public forum, all responsibility utimately falls on the reader. They pay for whatever goes wrong and benefit by whatever goes right. As knowledgeable and responsible netizens, many of us like to jump in and offer up caveats and explanations when we see advice jumping the track - and we avoid absolutes like "Get XYZ, it's the best in the world". This aids all readers every time we post in this fashion.

I remember an event where the post was not thought out, but blurted out with partial information. While the information was accurate for one situation - his... it wouldn't work in mine or many others without causing damage. When challenged with options other than his, obstinance ensued. No explanations, no caveats, no data - just absolution. Nobody said he was wrong, it was only stated by many that there were other options for other trucks and that was unacceptable to him while he was advising the OP. The OP never replied which he believed or what the plan was, so I hope it all went well for him.

I believe situations like this whittled on Cody's chi, as well as 10 people saying "Oh, this will fix your symptoms" without one person asking a follow-up question from the OP. I've been a victim of my own assumptions in the past. I'd hate to assume the OP with a problem has all the knowledge to correctly convey all the information to properly diagnose something as complex as a turbocharged PSD wrapped in 7000 pounds of moving parts. If the OP had this knowledge, I doubt they'd post a question - they'd be more likely to share the situation and the solution.

His post reads to me like arguments and assumptions en masse drove Cody into frustration - and ultimately away. If he just wants to do his job and not be put into a situation where he has to "sell" the fact that he knows what he's talking about, or correct every inaccurate assumption, then he made the right choice for him.

But... I could be full of it.

 

Hate to see you leave Cody, happy trails in whatever path you take.

 

Same here I will spend awhile searching, longer if it is not a pressing issue, but my truck is how I make my money and time is money so if I have a problem that will slow the process I ask, and so far I have never been let down by this site,

thanks again to everyone that contributes and hope Cody can get back to where he needs to be.

 

Tugly, you are right... I said responsibility of the author only because I felt that the author ought to make dang sure he either knows what he's talking about, or makes it clear that he may or may not be right. It is ultimately up to the reader to use discretion as to what he believes and uses to solve his problem.