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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 07:45 PM
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wheel alignment help

i have a 1994 f-250 with ifs front end im replacing all the balljoints in it and on the right side of the truck the camber caster ajuster bushing is missing now how do you know which degree settings to get because they very from degree settings is there away to find out. any help and feed back is greatly appreaceated
 
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 08:56 PM
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I did allignments for a few years but I have no idea how to determine what one to use when starting from scratch. I would just put a 0/0 in it and make it simple for the allignment guy.
 
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 09:01 PM
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but then i have to order them all i live in a small town so i have to special order parts like this
 
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 09:07 PM
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If you go to the shop that you plan to use to allign the truck they will have some. It really doesnt matter which one you put in because it will probably not be right. What happened to the original?
 
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 09:13 PM
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no see im a 2nd year gm tech and none of the guys in my shop are very familiar with ford trucks i got the truck as a project truck ive always wanted a 7.3 older ps to lift up and amke a sweet rig out of it any ways we dont have parts like this kicken around and the local parts store didnt even know what i was taking about when i was looking for these so i have to special order them in. i got the truck from a guy and god only knows why he took the nut off the ball joint so i was missing one all i got left on the truck to do for safety is the front end and this is the only peice i need to finish that side.
 
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 09:29 PM
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i just finished the alianment on my 250 with the TTB suspension and used moog adjustables, turned out pretty good, didnt have to mess with putting it on the rack, then ordering the right ones, got them from auto parts warehouse part number is MOK80108. just leave them at 0 set it on the rack and go by the chart of what it needs, caster and camber wise. adjustable from -3.75 to 3.75 degress if i remember right
 
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Old Jan 28, 2011 | 08:07 AM
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Go to a dealer, or junkyard, and get a factory bushing from one just like it. Not an aftermarket adjustable. Then don't ever let anyone touch them. If caster and camber is off then fix the problem, don't add to it. The problem is usually just bushings causing caster and camber to be off. I was an alignment tech for a long time and hate those adjustable ones! I've only needed one once on a wreck alignment that the frame straightener just couldn't quite get.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2011 | 09:57 AM
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On my '95 2wd I used Ingalls #59400 adjustable bushings. I bought them from Tire Rack on close out for $7.00 each.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2011 | 11:31 AM
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Seriously people, ALignment techs using them things need to find another line of work.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2011 | 12:40 PM
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Seriously people, ALignment techs using them things need to find another line of work.
So your customers would always put new springs in if their alignment was off? Take off their add a leaf leveling kits? Lift kits? The stock bushing is far from the answer to every alignment issue.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2011 | 01:28 PM
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I really gave my customers hell about lift kits. If the lift is designed properly then there will be no need to adjust caster and camber. Really. YOu don't have much adjustment room on these things even with bushings. How are these idiot manufacturers figuring we fix them right with all the garbage they throw out on the market? I never "replaced" any springs though. I took a bunch down the road to rearch. Replaced tons of bushings and shackles and I can't even count the ball joints. There is ALWAYS a reason that camber or caster is off.
And also, Shims are for caster. Tapered shims are the proper way to fix that. Those bushings should only be used for camber. I know they make them to do both but it's a , well, I won't say my word for it, improvised repair for lazy people.

And for you all that like these levelling kits..... Drop your tail end down and you just screwed your caster angle. Think about it. Lift it and you mess it up. Your trucks were designed with a factory ride height spec that the caster angle is based on. It's also figured different for ones with or without factory overload springs. Based on how much it's expected to squat in the rear. It's almost rocket science when you start messing with alignment on trucks I swear. It's just not worth trying to mess with it most of the time.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2011 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by RRranch
I really gave my customers hell about lift kits. If the lift is designed properly then there will be no need to adjust caster and camber. Really. YOu don't have much adjustment room on these things even with bushings. How are these idiot manufacturers figuring we fix them right with all the garbage they throw out on the market? I never "replaced" any springs though. I took a bunch down the road to rearch. Replaced tons of bushings and shackles and I can't even count the ball joints. There is ALWAYS a reason that camber or caster is off.
And also, Shims are for caster. Tapered shims are the proper way to fix that. Those bushings should only be used for camber. I know they make them to do both but it's a , well, I won't say my word for it, improvised repair for lazy people.

And for you all that like these levelling kits..... Drop your tail end down and you just screwed your caster angle. Think about it. Lift it and you mess it up. Your trucks were designed with a factory ride height spec that the caster angle is based on. It's also figured different for ones with or without factory overload springs. Based on how much it's expected to squat in the rear. It's almost rocket science when you start messing with alignment on trucks I swear. It's just not worth trying to mess with it most of the time.
um ok.....As for the angled shims....I won't use them unless I absolutely have to. Not a fan of putting any thing that will reduce the Center pin engagement to the axle.

For the other 90% of us that want to and will modify ride height there are plenty of good fixed and adjustable camber/caster bushings available that do not affect the safety nor reliability of the ball joint or front axle.
 
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