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Old Jan 5, 2020 | 09:14 AM
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Delta between coolant and engine oil temperature.

What is the normal acceptable delta between the coolant in the engine oil temperature in these trucks? I know when my father-in-law 6.0 It has be less than 15°F. In my 7.3 it is dramatically different and I’m not sure if that’s a problem.

After about 10 minutes driving my oil was at 160f but my coolant was at 60f... read in FORScan lite. Both set in F..
 
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Unless you have a ZF6 or a customer added coolant temperature sensor, you are NOT getting a good reading on the coolant temperature. The 4R100 trucks do NOT have the ability to read coolant temperature through the PID/PCM and via programs like TP or Forscan.

Does this help, if not please let us know where and how you are taking the coolant temperature reading and we can go from there.
 
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Old Jan 5, 2020 | 09:53 AM
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I was hoping that was the answer. Just was too far off. Just the reading on my dashboard after selecting that option on FORScan. Not supported makes me happy...

 
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I have stepper motor coolant gauge,sender in thermostat housing.
Oil temp shows always cooler than coolant..
If coolant cools oil,then oil should be always warmer...?
This is in winter temps,no data during summer yet..
 
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Old Jan 5, 2020 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian Hanks
What is the normal acceptable delta between the coolant in the engine oil temperature in these trucks? I know when my father-in-law 6.0 It has be less than 15°F. In my 7.3 it is dramatically different and I’m not sure if that’s a problem.

After about 10 minutes driving my oil was at 160f but my coolant was at 60f... read in FORScan lite. Both set in F..

I’ve read 20* difference between oil and coolant temps. I typically see that temperature range unless the ambient temperature is extreme. Do you have heat in the cab? If you’re seeing low coolant temps, I’d be looking at a open thermostat. Grab your IR thermometer and see what temperatures you’re actually seeing before and after thermostat housing. I have oil temp from PCM and Coolant temps from gauge in the filter housing.
 
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Originally Posted by Sous
Unless you have a ZF6 or a customer added coolant temperature sensor, you are NOT getting a good reading on the coolant temperature. The 4R100 trucks do NOT have the ability to read coolant temperature through the PID/PCM and via programs like TP or Forscan.
And early 99 through 99.5 trucks, and I believe some 2000 trucks, even with the ZF6, do not have the ECT sensor. To the best of my recollection, Ford added the ECT sensor in 2000, for the 2001 model year, on manual transmission trucks with the 275 HP rating.
 
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It takes a while to warm up both 4.5 gallons of oil and 13? gallons of coolant. After 30+ miles I remember seeing 215 oil temp, and presumably 205-ish of coolant temp.
 
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Old Jan 5, 2020 | 02:05 PM
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I think sous nailed it as I was using the PCM on FORScan. It doesn’t read that value on our trucks.... I have no direct gauge.
 
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I did this years ago since I was driving long distances and had road time to monitor my Edge engine monitor. Especially during the summer, after the engine is well up to temperature, I concluded that if you take the ambient temperature from the overhead display and multiply it by 2; this should be close to your tranny temperature; then add about 100 degrees and that should be close to the oil temperature. The coolant temperature should be lower than the oil so there is heat transfer from the oil/tranny fluids to the coolant.
I think I generated a formula to calculate this using my previous user name “lhud”.
This is not an exact method but after watching this over several years and many miles it held true to form.
 
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