Hey guys, I know there are lots of yall who love the truck-- but I was wondering if there was anyone else out there who thinks this truck is a step in the wrong direction?

Here's my thoughts, just so yall know I'm not trying to convert anyone to my point of view, but I was just wondering if anyone else agrees. Here's what I dont care for, and if you agree please give me a shout out.

1. The cab feels too small: our Super Duty's have massive cabs, and that's one of the things I truly love about my SD. Today my buddy and I checked out a 2011, he's 6' 4" and with the seat all the way up his head touched the headliner. In my 04, with the seat all the way up there is room for me to put my fist between his head and the headliner... whats up with that?

Secondly, this truck was an upscale model with captains chairs and the center console. For whatever reason FoMoCo attached the center console to the dash and added 4 cup holders where I prefer to rest my foot on long drives. Now I'm not going to argue with the features because they were awesome, but between the reduced headroom and the MASSIVE console the SD interior didn't feel any roomier than a half ton Chevy. The dimensions may all be larger, but the perception of the space just isn't there, and for $54K I would expect an increase in perception to match that pricetag.

2. What in the heck is FoMoCo? There were tags all over the interior saying 'FoMoCo'? What prodigy in the marketing department came up with this? If I'm spending $54K on a brand new truck I expect 'Ford Motor Company' and not some acronym that sounds like it came from a Dr. Dre video. With advertising such as this all over the interior I have a VERY hard time taking what they have to say seriously... $54K is not some pop-culture trend. I know this is insignificant, but really, going back to perception it's a major step backwards. It's a pickup truck, not a power wheel.

3. The interior is nice, but all the detail and class they put into the dash is destroyed with random assortments of cheap materials. Take for instance the headliner. This truck was equipped with a tan cloth interior appointed with chrome and a two tone. It's impressive... until you see the cheap looking headliner and crappy sun visors. Yes the visors have a vanity, but the material they are made from looks like a cheap handbag found in a walmart childrens department. Furthermore, the headliner material looks to be a mixture of ink stained-burlap sack and construction paper. I have seen Hyaundais with more quality headliners and visors... c'mon ford my 2004 headliner looks 1 million times better... how do you improve an interior 10 fold then take a step backwards in the headliner you forced us to look at by making it closer to our head?

4. Have you actually popped the hood of a new Scorpion diesel? The engine is a powerhouse and liberating Ford owners from the grips of post-7.3L Navistar. However, when you look under that hood... omg I wanted to vomit. That power comes with a $8-10K option of more crap under that hood than I can fit into my bed. The only reason I consider this an issue is because even though the EPA is responsible for 9/10's of that engine compartment but the presentation is horrible. Presentation aside, how in the heck are you supposed to work on the darn thing? If you stand just at the right angle you can kinda see a rocker cover or something, and maybe half a turbo. It's really intimidating to look at, and that doesn't make me want to buy it any more.

5. This truely is negligable but the FX4 logos look like a mixture of a ghetto tag, paint scrapes, and MTV pop culture. Once again it's a pickup, not a power wheel.

I know these really aren't anyhting too critical, but if each of these things progress every year the Super Duty will be nothing other than a brand of pickup with nothing really distinguishing itself other than headlights bigger than my lawnmower engine, a Ford Oval thats too large to double as a belt buckle, and a subpar interior with an unservicable powertrain. For the massive sticker of $54K, I just expect so much more.

If anyone agrees please let me know i'm not alone

99-10 For life eh?

 

so basicly your jealous as hell of the new 2011, and trying to convince yourself you dont want one...

i think you'll come around soon enuf.

 

Everyones intitled to an opinion, you won't get too many to agree.
You seriously think the 6.7 is gonna be hard to work on?? Have you ever seen a 6.4??

 

I agree with some of what you said in that its become a mix of the 99, 03, 08 and now '11 models. They need to clean sheet the dang thing and do it right. OK if certain structural parts are ok or obviously new engines and tranny are fine, but lets get a new look going. Behind the A pillar it looks 99% the same as a 99.

To spend that much $$$ it better make a guy very excited about most or all of it. Its a very capable truck, but some of it is not up to par.

 

I never said the 6.4 was right, you should NEVER have to pull the cab of a vehicle to service the engine.

And honestly, no, I do not want a new SD... thats why I'm actually upset. I prefer gassers over oil burners, but that neither here nor there. The way I see it, Ford is a world class company. It's their job to MAKE me want a new one... and this model year was unsatisfactory. I'll stick with my 04, perhaps maybe upgrade one day to an 08 or 9 gasser.

The Super Duty is capable, and thats why I don't dub this new machine an epic fail... but what's attracted me to the super duty all these years is the sheer size, comfort, and capability. I truly believe Ford is losing their way, and the only thing that remains is capability. I still think it's more mechanically sound than a Chevy or GMC... but in this day and age that doesnt say much. Ford has a cult like following behind the SD, and I'm really afraid this is the beginning of them losing their way

 

I just figured I'd throw in my 2 cents...


1- The roof airbag does take a little headroom, but i am 6'2, and have no clearence issues, and the seat will adjust quite a bit lower than i need it to, so fitting in shouldn't be a problem for most; but I don't like the idea of having to dodge an airbag trying to punch you in the head while you're busy dealing with a rollover. The flow thru console is an option, not a standard thing at all, no need to pay for it if you don't want it.

2- F0M0Co is definatley not a pop culture trend, it actually dates back a long ways, all my 1970 mustangs original interior/body panels have FoMoCo stamps/embossings . They just brought it back, a cool nod to the past in my eyes.

3- Haven't looked at a tan roof, but my black one looks classy. I do agree they could have used anything at all to upgrade the visor material.

4- I have been told by multiple dealers that the Scorpion engine is much easier to work on, and they don't need to pull the cab to do anything, which is nice. I was just at the local mechanics and he was fixing a wiring harness that was caught up and damaged at the local ford dealership when the cab was being removed/reinstalled. It does look like crap under the hood though.

5- I think most 5 year olds could come up with a better FX4 logo haha!

 

i dont think Ford is losing their way at all..

in fact i think with their new world car platforms i beleive they are becoming more focused then ever...

sure the SD needs a clean sheet redesign, but the 2011 is new enuf that if i were in the market i wouldnt' give it a second thought as to what new truck to purchase.

 

Well I agree with you on one part of that 100%, Fords cars have all hit home runs. I have driven a few Taurus' (no one was dumb enough to give me a SHO) and they are stellar. Hate to say it, but it felt like the Taurus had mroe head room than the SD. Ford can get it together in one area, but I'm still not sold this new SD is what they claim it is.

 

While I don't particularly care for the looks of the '11 SD what am I gonna do if I have to replace my '03, get a Dodge or Chevy??? NFW, I'd be looking for a '05-'07 SD and live with no DPF. I'd get another 6.0 before I'd get either a 6.4 or 6.7....

 

FoMoCo has been around since 1903. This acronym is a lot easier to use than spelling out Ford Motor Company.

While I haven't checked out a new Stupor Duty, I do know that vehicles that have a factory installed sunroof (FoMoCo = Moonroof) have less headroom than without it.

I've had this problem for decades when looking to buy vehicles. When one is sasquatched sized (6-5, 350) and the seat is in the upper position (or mebbe not...it depends), my head hits the roof.

 

In the world of business if you can satisfy 90 percent of your clients your doing it right. My friend you fall into the other 10 percent that most companies don't worry about

 

Given what numberdummy said, there's a decent chance that Henry Ford himself is the prodigy that came up with that

Seems like most of your complaints are just subjective things a.k.a opinions.

The Ford engineer for the 6.7L that was posting here for a while says that the new one was designed to be easier to work on, compared to the 6.4L at least. Supposedly no cab removal required.

I've checked out a couple 2011 trucks and I would have to say they're pretty awesome, IMO.

 

I don't know what year the interiors changed to the seats with less padding. My 2003 interior is one of the best styles they have had. The trucks in the last few years have thinner seats and a boxy dash with a pionted gauge console. Where mine is laid out like a 78 Lincoln. Smooth, plush and roomy. Not against change, as my rear seat can only flip foward a few inches to get behind and the new ones flip around to make some flat back seat room, but my 99 SC could do that and still had plush seats. It was elevated compared to the newer ones but the bed is for the heavy stuff anyways. Just my opinion.

 

1. I have no problem with the new cab. I actually don't like the height of my '09 F250 crew cab, but needed the crew for a car seat. Opinions of a 5'10" man I guess... I also really like the new console, wanted to put one in my '09. I love having 4 cup holders instead of 2, I put my sun glasses and security badge in them and have no room left for an actual drink. I try to put them on the dash, but they just slide right off and under the seats.

2. Hahaha, the first time I saw it I said the same thing. But their keyless FOB's have said it for years.

3. this is a common trend among all cars/truck. I complain about the same thing in my wife's Saab, and that is a high end luxury car. We went to go look at getting a Benz for her and noticed the same thing.

4. It is actually easier to work on, maybe not look at though. The advantage now is that turbo is on top of the engine instead of behind or to the side of it. This means the exterior guts of the engine and turbo are right on top for you to get at instead of between the engine and the fire wall.

5. yes, I saw that sticker and was like WTF? The new F150 FX4 isn't much better IMO either. they need a more conservative design that matches the rest of truck IMO, I mean Dodges actually looks better. I think the same guy that came up with the mud splash design on Rapture made this stickers.

I guess I'm a little glad that the trucks are becoming more capable and less trendy. I grew using truck on a farm, and so many options on today's trucks add so much to the cost that it becomes hard to buy one. Lots of small things tend to break on new truck (not just Fords) when you pummel them with off road farm work, hence things like carpeted floors and leather heated seats are just more things to break down. I'm always up for a good old truck that is capable and dependable. while the SD's are a still a far cry from that still, I have problem with their current direction.

I guess I just view trucks more as tools then a luxury vehicle. Then again I have a Saab and maybe soon a Benz, so even the King Ranchers and Harley's seem like cheap versions of luxury to me. I guess my point of view may shift if I spent more hours in my truck driving around.

enough

 

You bet it is, brother.