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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 06:20 PM
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help with motor casting number Identification!

Can somebody please tell me what these numbers I have located on the casting block mean. The first one I know is a simply means the casting factory of 58 DIF. However the only other numbers I was able to locate were on the block in the cylinder shaped holes stamped in small letters 49 then directly underneath that in small numbers 64, then underneath that in large numbers 62. What does this mean? I am going nuts trying to find out the motor I have because what I thought was a 390 may or may not be. The manifold came off a 1966 high performance motor with the holley 4 barrell. Carls ford parts in Ohio helped me find that out when I could not find a thermostat to fit the motor. So, I dont know if they swithed the entire motor out or just the manifold and carb off the high performance motor. The Vin says it originally was a 360.

Can somebody please help? Do those numbers mean anything?
 
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 07:05 PM
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Those numbers won't tell you anything, measuring the stroke is a good place to start in determining which FE you have, it's either going to be 3.50" 3.78" or 3.98"
 
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 07:55 PM
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Yeah, you'll need to pull a spark plug and bring #1 to TDC and drop a dowel or something in there and make a mark. Take #1 to BDC and drop it in again and re-mark and then measure the distance.

I'm the one that told you what manifold you had btw.

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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 08:58 PM
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Yeah, you'll need to pull a spark plug and bring #1 to TDC and drop a dowel or something in there and make a mark. Take #1 to BDC and drop it in again and re-mark and then measure the distance.

I'm the one that told you what manifold you had btw.

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Thank you again for that. I would have been totally lost without what you told me. How will the stroke though tell me whether or not the motor is a high performance motor?
 
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 09:07 PM
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It won't tell you the build, but it will help narrow down if you have a 352/360 (3.50" stroke) a 390 (3.78" stroke) or possibly a 428 (3.98" stroke)

As for a build, people might get excited to hear they have a 390 GT, but so what. The engine was a turd in 1967 and still is.

Beyond knowing the stroke, it matters as much what pistons and cam were installed and the only way to know that is to starting pulling parts like the valve covers to check cam lift, or pulling cylinder heads to check pistons.

If your block has a casting number it will be on the passenger side of the block up near the front.

The cylinder heads have the casting number between the center spark plugs.

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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullitt390
It won't tell you the build, but it will help narrow down if you have a 352/360 (3.50" stroke) a 390 (3.78" stroke) or possibly a 428 (3.98" stroke)

As for a build, people might get excited to hear they have a 390 GT, but so what. The engine was a turd in 1967 and still is.

Beyond knowing the stroke, it matters as much what pistons and cam were installed and the only way to know that is to starting pulling parts like the valve covers to check cam lift, or pulling cylinder heads to check pistons.

If your block has a casting number it will be on the passenger side of the block up near the front.

The cylinder heads have the casting number between the center spark plugs.

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Thanks Bullitt. I will pull the plug tonight and find out the stroke. Should have done it the other night as I just tuned the truck up. I swear those were the hardest dang plugs I have ever pulled out in my life. It felt like they were practically welded in. I had to get a breakover bar and deep creep spray to get them out, work them back and forth for fear I was going to break them off, use a swivel with 2 long extensions for the back plug by the heater blower. Put new wires on, cap and rotor felt really good about it. Went to fire the truck up and the solenoid went out. Replaced that the next day after I quit crying and the truck fired right up. It was only running on 7 cylinders as one of the plugs had the electrode bent almost off. This truck runs very, very fast. I think way to fast for a stock motor. I could be wrong, but I tend to believe that along with the high performance manifold and carb that is on the truck is not the only suprise I am in for. It is way to fast for a 360 or 390.
 
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Old Feb 13, 2010 | 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Bullitt390
It won't tell you the build, but it will help narrow down if you have a 352/360 (3.50" stroke) a 390 (3.78" stroke) or possibly a 428 (3.98" stroke)

As for a build, people might get excited to hear they have a 390 GT, but so what. The engine was a turd in 1967 and still is.

Beyond knowing the stroke, it matters as much what pistons and cam were installed and the only way to know that is to starting pulling parts like the valve covers to check cam lift, or pulling cylinder heads to check pistons.

If your block has a casting number it will be on the passenger side of the block up near the front.

The cylinder heads have the casting number between the center spark plugs.

Josh
Alright, I have finally measured the stroke of the motor. It was 3 and 7/8th inches . At one point I thought it was almost 4 inches but I may have not been as accurate on that. Very difficult to get it so close IMO. Definitely not a 360(happy about that), most likely a 390, but could be a 460 with that reading. HOW DO I now tell the difference between the 390 and the 460. By eyesight is the 460 that much bigger than the 390 or is there another way to tell?
 
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Alright, I have finally measured the stroke of the motor. It was 3 and 7/8th inches . At one point I thought it was almost 4 inches but I may have not been as accurate on that. Very difficult to get it so close IMO. Definitely not a 360(happy about that), most likely a 390, but could be a 460 with that reading. HOW DO I now tell the difference between the 390 and the 460. By eyesight is the 460 that much bigger than the 390 or is there another way to tell?
By the way the casting numbers I have found on the block are 2D22 with a M under it which I think means its a 390, and the heads are D2TEAA, which is a 1972 motor I think with standard truck heads. But the reading for the stroke may be closer to a 460 than 390. How do I know for sure???
 
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Old Feb 13, 2010 | 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by pittmick
By the way the casting numbers I have found on the block are 2D22 with a M under it which I think means its a 390, and the heads are D2TEAA, which is a 1972 motor I think with standard truck heads. But the reading for the stroke may be closer to a 460 than 390. How do I know for sure???
2D22 = Block cast on April (D) 22, 1972 (2) or possibly 1962 (2).

3.78" stroke = 390.

D2TE heads = 1972/76 F100/350 360/390.

The larger t/stat was only used thru 1966.

FE engines have 5 valve cover bolt holes per side.

1958/64 FE engines have rounded valve covers with no holes for oil caps/smog valves.

These engines have an oil fill tube.
 
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Old Feb 13, 2010 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
2D22 = Block cast on April (D) 22, 1972 (2) or possibly 1962 (2).

3.78" stroke = 390.

D2TE heads = 1972/76 F100/350 360/390.

The larger t/stat was only used thru 1966.

FE engines have 5 valve cover bolt holes per side.

1958/64 FE engines have rounded valve covers with no holes for oil caps/smog valves.

These engines have an oil fill tube.
Thank you VERY much. How in the world do you guys know all this detailed information. This is the most helpful site in the world. Thank you again.
 
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Old Feb 13, 2010 | 12:38 PM
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By the way the casting numbers I have found on the block are 2D22 with a M under it which I think means its a 390, and the heads are D2TEAA, which is a 1972 motor I think with standard truck heads. But the reading for the stroke may be closer to a 460 than 390. How do I know for sure???
460 is totally different engine family. I think you meant 428. Measuring the way you did will sometimes give you a slightly longer measurement. So if it was a 428 you should measure slightly over 3.98. You get a slightly longer measurement if the measuring tool isn't completely perpendicular to the piston. I have a 400 which has a 4" stroke and when I measured it I got slightly more that a 4" measurement(can't remember the exact number I got). I think this might be what is happening to you.
 
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