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Old Feb 9, 2010 | 06:33 PM
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Bolt ons (headers, exhaust, electric fans, CAIs, tune)
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Torque converter (3200 stall is decent for trucks)
Engine (Trick Flow heads, 5.0L stroker, custom cams, bump the compresion up by about a half of a point, but all must compliment the long runner Triton intake. Do don't go to huge duration cams, as they will want to come on about the time the intake manifold signs off.)
Power adder (will require different engine specs, i.e. lower compression, different cam specs. I would go with a small turbo or a positive displacement s/c in a truck)

There plenty you can do.
 
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Old Feb 9, 2010 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Bad
Bolt ons (headers, exhaust, electric fans, CAIs, tune)
Gears
Torque converter (3200 stall is decent for trucks)
Engine (Trick Flow heads, 5.0L stroker, custom cams, bump the compresion up by about a half of a point, but all must compliment the long runner Triton intake. Do don't go to huge duration cams, as they will want to come on about the time the intake manifold signs off.)
Power adder (will require different engine specs, i.e. lower compression, different cam specs. I would go with a small turbo or a positive displacement s/c in a truck)

There plenty you can do.
Why would you want a stall convertor on a truck? I don't see how that is going to be a good way to go. It seems like it is going to just waste gas to me.

I agree with just about everyting else except CAI's they are worthless. The factory air cleaner already gets cooler outside air. If the Lightnings and Cobras etc have these style air cleaners then I think they are good enough for regular trucks.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 06:30 PM
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Why would you want a stall convertor on a truck? I don't see how that is going to be a good way to go. It seems like it is going to just waste gas to me.
It won't waste any gas, you will still have lockup and well made (read PI Stallion) 3,000-3,600 rpm stall speed converter won't flash up any more during moderate acceleration than the stock converter. What it does is help the truck to overcome weight/gearing during heavy acceleration/WOT, getting you into the meat of the power band quicker. Trucks are probably the BEST candidate for aftermarket converters, given the weight. My 2wd would benefit greatly from an aftermarket converter, and I'm not moving a 4WD with 35" monsters. All you have to go do is floor your truck from a stop, and note how it struggles to accelerate most in the 2,200-3,200 rpm before it comes into the meat of the powerband. 3.55:1 gears, 30"+ tall tires, and the 4R70W's 2.84:1 1st gear conspire against you here, a properly selected converter will mask this dramatically.

I agree with just about everyting else except CAI's they are worthless. The factory air cleaner already gets cooler outside air. If the Lightnings and Cobras etc have these style air cleaners then I think they are good enough for regular trucks.
Hardly, the factory inlets on these trucks are a joke. Have you seen the size of inlet on the fender side of these trucks? When the TB has almost double the diameter of the entrance feeding it, there is a problem. Lightnings and Cobras do NOT use the same air cleaners, and yet they ALSO pick up significant power from a well designed cold air. Look to the better CAIs, such as AFE, JLT, etc. and there is power to be had, especially when you have already opened up the exhaust.

The stock air inlets were designed to suppress induction noise above all else, they are mildly restrictive even at stock power levels.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 09:23 PM
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I still don't know about the stall convertors.

The CAIs like the KN FIPK that have the open element filter in the engine bay just suck in hot air.

We had one or our 97 Cobra and the fuel economy on the highway was about 20 mpg. It gets close to 25 mpg with the stock air box.

I had the FIPK on my truck for a while and it ran worse especailly on hot days and the fuel economy was down as well.

Also KN doesn't filter as well anyway, so I won't use it anymore.

For those that think it will improve things go ahead and get one, but I don't think you will be impressed with it.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 11:22 PM
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I still don't know about the stall convertors.

The CAIs like the KN FIPK that have the open element filter in the engine bay just suck in hot air.

We had one or our 97 Cobra and the fuel economy on the highway was about 20 mpg. It gets close to 25 mpg with the stock air box.

I had the FIPK on my truck for a while and it ran worse especailly on hot days and the fuel economy was down as well.

Also KN doesn't filter as well anyway, so I won't use it anymore.

For those that think it will improve things go ahead and get one, but I don't think you will be impressed with it.
I'm going to have to agree with both of your posts!!!

I was running a 2600 PI stall converter.
It felt like crap on the street and killed my MPG too. I would hate to see what a 3000 and up would do.
Now, on the track it was great.Took about 3/4 of a second off my 1/4 mile time.
I only run a 2400 converter now.

As for the CIA,
on a basically stock truck there pretty much worthless.
On an all out high performance truck you need all the air you can get. But your still better off with the closed box then you are with an open element filter.

 
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TexasGuy001
I still don't know about the stall convertors.
I do, I have plenty of experience with PI converters in Mustangs and know the benefits first hand. I've used 4200 rpm converters, and with proper trans tuning it behaves no differently than stock converter, until you romp it. At WOT they are revelation, and make the 4R70W perform like it should.

The CAIs like the KN FIPK that have the open element filter in the engine bay just suck in hot air.
Not all CAIs are unshielded, and I use an open element JLT on my 4.6 Mustang. It does 120 mph in the 1/4 N/A and gets 24 mpg on the interstate tach'ing 3000 rpm with what's essentially 4.12 gears (4.56s with a 28" tire). The simple truth is once moving, there's enough airflow in the engine bay to prevent much of an IAT increase. There are IAT increases at slow speeds and idle, and I would not recommend an open element air inlet on a truck were absolute airflow isn't as important. Kits like the Volant and AFE do not "suck hot air". But the truth is the stock air inlets on the F150s are restrictive, and there are gains to be had. In fact, increasing the inlet size on the fender side of the air box and keeping the stock air box and inlet tube in place isn't a bad idea, and it's inexpensive an can be done relatively easy in your driveway.

For those that think it will improve things go ahead and get one, but I don't think you will be impressed with it.
You have to know which one to buy.

I was running a 2600 PI stall converter.
It felt like crap on the street and killed my MPG too. I would hate to see what a 3000 and up would do.
Now, on the track it was great.Took about 3/4 of a second off my 1/4 mile time.
I only run a 2400 converter now.
Sounds like your 2600 rpm converter wasn't setup properly, as the stock converter stall speed is in the 2200-2300 rpm range. 4200 rpm converters (much less 3200 rpm) are perfectly streetable if you have BG and FG timers setup properly and the lockup schedule nailed.
 
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Old Feb 13, 2010 | 03:09 PM
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Old Feb 13, 2010 | 04:11 PM
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what some of you guys fail to realize is that smaller intake duct on the factory intake actually increases the velocity of the incoming air. it may very well restrict air coming in at WOT or high RPM, but these trucks arent meant to run at WOT. they are designed to make lots of low end torque at low RPM to move all that weight faster from a stop. Mix that high velocity air with the longer intake runners and longer stroke of a 5.4L and it makes for a hell of alot of low end torque. when you take away that high velocity air, and restriction, you increase air flow at higher RPM which moves your power band up higher in the range. since these trucks dont run at WOT all the time, all you notice is a decrease in power and fuel economy at lower RPM. same with exhaust...too much restriction is a bad thing. but you need a certain amount to maintain peak torque at low RPM.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2010 | 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by muddyford911
what some of you guys fail to realize is that smaller intake duct on the factory intake actually increases the velocity of the incoming air.
Air tuning is accomplished behind the TB, increased air velocity before the TB accomplishes nothing. Use a speed density system and take off the complete air intake assembly and horsepower goes up at every single data point.

longer intake runners and longer stroke of a 5.4L and it makes for a hell of alot of low end torque. when you take away that high velocity air, and restriction, you increase air flow at higher RPM which moves your power band up higher in the range.
The air inlet tube has zero tuning effect on the powerband. The truck will achieve peak HP and TQ at the same RPM regardless of what is fitted in the front of the throttle body.

same with exhaust...too much restriction is a bad thing. but you need a certain amount to maintain peak torque at low RPM.
Only because the stock exhaust logs provide little to no tuning effect. Throw a set of proper long tubes and this thinking changes.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2010 | 04:13 PM
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k&n filter

Originally Posted by TexasGuy001
The factory air cleaner assembly is better than a so called CAI that sucks in hot air. Stay away from KN. The oiled filters can foul the MAF anyway. They also do not filter as well. There is really no gain to be had except for noise. I had the FIPK on my truck for a little while and it got worse fuel economy and didn't seem to run as well either. In my opinion FIPK and similar CAI setups are junk.

Also, do not waste your money on throttle body spacers, thats only good for a paper weight.

If you want to get an exhaust system get a straight through muffler NOT a chambered one like Flowmaster. With 35s I would say gears are going to be the best thing you can do. You may not like the underdrive pulleys. Your accessories may not work as well.

Just get the differentials regeared. Thats the only way to get the power back.
k&n filter not good? should i go back to normal one
 
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